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Doubt about Shane O'Sullivan's BBC RFK evidence (9 posts)

  1. truthmod
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    Gordon Campbell died in 1962!? The pictures don't match? Hey, that's not very good journalism by the BBC. Pretty egregious actually. Seems kind of like a possible setup to me.

    Anyway, I have to read/hear more about this. The pictures on the page below don't exactly show convincing non-matches for the various pictures of Morales and Joannides.

    The BBC's Flawed RFK Story by Jefferson Morley and David Talbot http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_...

    Shane O'Sullivan's RFK Must Die
    http://www.ctka.net/shane.html

    In addition to the enlargement of the quote, the photo identifications themselves are also weakened. Talbot discovered two photos of Morales, one from 1967, and one from 1969. They do not closely resemble the man alleged to be Morales in the films from the Ambassador. As for the ID's of Campbell and Johannides, O'Sullivan reveals that the LAPD identified the two men as, respectively, Michael Roman and Frank Owens. They were both executives for Bulova watch company. Although both are dead today, Roman's family concurred with the identification, and knew who Owens was. O'Sullivan tries to salvage something from this by saying that Bulova was a recipient of a large amount of Pentagon funding during the sixties. And further that its chairman, Omar Bradley, was a special adviser to Lyndon Johnson for the Vietnam War. He even reaches for the theory that Roman and Campbell may have somehow switched identities. As a fallback, salvage type operation I found this all pretty lame and unsubstantiated.

    Washington Post and Salon journalists, an investigation commissioned by The New Yorker? That doesn't inspire much confidence for me. And is the article ever going to run or did it already?

    BBC RFK Update
    by James DiEugenio
    June 2007
    http://www.ctka.net/bbc_rfk.html

    In David Talbot's new book Brothers he reveals that both he and Jefferson Morley of the Washington Post Online did a follow up inquiry on the Shane O'Sullivan report with the BBC. The investigation was commissioned by The New Yorker. According to Talbot's book, the pair traveled widely, "interviewing dozens of relatives, friends and former colleagues" of their principal subjects (p. 397). They discovered that Gordon Campbell "died in 1962, making it impossible for him to have been filmed in 1968 at the Ambassador Hotel" (Ibid). In an interview with Rex Bradford Talbot revealed that they had also attained good photos of both Morales and Joannides taken around the 1968 time period. When they were compared to the BBC Ambassador Hotel footage, it was evident that they did not match. Or as Talbot told Bradford, "...it's simply not the man caught on camera at the Ambassador."

    Posted 16 years ago #
  2. truthmod
    Administrator

    Interview with Talbot and Morley about their investigation into the veracity of the BBC report. Do we trust these guys? Do they have agendas?

    http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Unredact...

    Welcome to Unredacted, the MFF's interview show featuring authors and experts on the Kennedy assassination and related topics. This episode features an interview with Washington Post Online writer Jefferson Morley and David Talbot.

    The interview discusses Talbot and Morley's investigation of a November 2006 BBC Newnight story, which had alleged that three CIA officers were shown in photos and film footage taken at the Ambassador Hotel on the night Robert Kennedy was killed. The three officers identified in the BBC story were David Morales, George Joannides, and Gordon Campbell. Morley and Talbot investigated this story, interviewing many family members and associates of these three men, and concluded that the identifications were mistaken.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  3. truthmod
    Administrator

    David Morales' family provided the photos used to disprove the matching IDs from the BBC story. That's not an especially objective source

    Posted 16 years ago #
  4. christs4sale
    Administrator

    Hi Truthmod,

    Those are the two CTKA articles I would have referred you to. Here is Lisa Pease's blog entry on the topic:

    http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2006/11/di...

    You can read Shane's reply in the comments.

    Talbot refutes Shane's allegations in his book Brothers. I cannot quote part of it because I do not have the book on me right now.

    Talbot has done good work from what I can tell. Read Jim DiEugenio's review of Brothers for an overview:

    http://ctka.net/brothers.html

    I remember Talbot presented at COPA in 2004 and had a good dialogue with the late Lawrence Teeter, Sirhan's former attorney. He also debated with Vincent Bugliosi on MSNBC and he intelligently raised the issue about Bugliosi's pro-conspiracy views in the RFK case that he made public in the early 70s from his involvement in a trial where he defended a television station that was being sued by Jerry "the Walking Bible" Owen. Read more about that one in the Christian and Turner book The Assassination of Robert F Kennedy: Conspiracy and Coverup.

    Posted 16 years ago #
  5. NicholasLevis
    Member

    Thanks guys!

    Posted 16 years ago #
  6. truthmod
    Administrator

    NY Times slags documentary suggesting second RFK shooter

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_New_documentary_...

    On the 40th anniversary of Robert F. Kennedy's death, there appears to be fresh interest in the circumstances of his murder. The Los Angeles Police Department recently released a set of photographs showing several men struggling with assassin Sirhan Sirhan after Kennedy's shooting, but these add little to the unresolved questions about the killing.

    Shane O'Sullivan, the producer of a recent documentary on the assassination, told CNN, "There hasn't really been a serious re-investigation of the ballistics in this case since 1975. ... There's new audio evidence .. which suggests that 13 shots were fired, eight from the front ... and five from the back."

    ...

    Posted 16 years ago #
  7. chrisc
    Member

    John Pilger was there!

    JOHN PILGER: ... Sirhan leapt up on a serving area, pointed a gun at him and fired. He was wrestled. Kennedy fell. He was wrestled to the ground, and then there were other shots.

    There’s no question that there was another gunman, because one of the people who was hit, just grazed, was standing next to me, and that happened when Sirhan Sirhan had been wrestled to the ground. So that’s the interesting thing. There was another assassin or another several assassins. And then it was bedlam. And as you know, Kennedy died about twenty-four hours later.

    AMY GOODMAN: John Pilger, what about Robert Kennedy’s views of Vietnam? Also, of course, your view is not the standard one, that there were other assassins.

    http://911blogger.com/node/15976

    MP3: http://media.switchpod.com/users/democracynow/ftp/...

    Full transcript: http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/5/democracy_now...

    Posted 16 years ago #
  8. christs4sale
    Administrator

    Fetzer is still trying to sell this

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article165721.html

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. Why does Fetzer trying to sell this bull not surprise me.

    Posted 14 years ago #

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