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The Capital Times: 9/11 doubters doubt each other, too (Re: "DisinfoFest07") (5 posts)

  1. DBLS
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    9/11 doubters doubt each other, too

    Ben Popper Correspondent for The Capital Times
    8/07/2007 11:52 am http://www.madison.com/tct/news/204531

    Dave Von Kleist has the look of a showman. Tall and lean, he wears a leather cowboy hat with his business suit, and from behind the podium at the west side Radisson he commands full attention. "Some folks say if you can't explain what something is, well then shut up about it!" he told a crowd of around 60 people.

    "There are folks out there who will try and discredit you," Von Kleist continued, "and if anybody in this room thinks we don't have infiltrators, well you are probably still waiting for the Easter bunny."

    A nervous murmur ran through the audience. "As a matter of fact I know for certain," said Von Kleist, hardening his voice, "that one of them is in this room right now."

    Von Kleist's comments may seem a little strange, even paranoid, but then again, this is not your typical conference. The Madison event, billed as "The Science and Politics of 9/11: What's Controversial, What's Not," dealt over the weekend with quite a few contested theories surrounding the events of 9/11, although it had a little trouble finding uncontested ones. 9/11 doubters, it seems, have trouble trusting the official theory, and each other.

    The movement has proven to have a wide hold on the general populace. A 2006 Scripps poll found that 36 percent of respondents suspect that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them. While denying the viability of the conspiracy theories, Time magazine declared, "Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality."

    This conference was organized by the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, or at least one version of them. The Madison event at the Radisson hotel was orchestrated by James Fetzer, a former Marine Corps officer with a Ph.D. in the philosophy of science.

    Six months ago, Fetzer parted ways with Steven Jones, the man Fetzer asked to co-chair the organization, who accused Fetzer of allowing the group to wander into the realm of science fiction. Jones now maintains his own group, which vehemently denies any association with Fetzer's methods.

    "I consider myself to be in the mold of Sherlock Holmes," Fetzer told the crowd. "When you've eliminated the impossible, whatever is left, no matter now improbable, is the truth."

    One of the participants trying to keep things calm was Kevin Barrett, whose inclusion of 9/11 in his curriculum on Islam in a course he taught at UW-Madison caused quite a controversy. Barrett, who no longer teaches the course, took the stage to try and express his concerns about the public image of the movement.

    "I think we need to focus on conviviality in this movement," he declared. "We 're not the miserable paranoids people think."

    "Oh yes we are!" someone shouted back from the crowd, drawing a large laugh.

    While the speakers battled it out on stage, the average attendee was left to bask in the wealth of often-conflicting information. "It's just nice to come to something like this and reconfirm you're not the only one," said Rick Farlow of Columbus, Ohio. "We believe they are out to get us, I think that's the common denominator."

    Saturday's lunch included a free sandwich bar and warning about the dangers of the media. Bill Boshears, host of the radio program SciZone, explained to the crowd that the most important stories would not always make it to the mainstream media.

    "I remember hearing some of my stories reported on TV for the first time," said Boshears. "It stopped me in my tracks, a little program called The X-Files.'"

    Omar Farooq, an elementary school teacher who drove down from Indiana, felt the conference reflected a growing sentiment in America. As a Muslim, Farooq feels especially concerned that the truth of 9/11 be exposed.

    "I'm always looking to plant some seeds," he says, "although if I was trying to convince the average person, I wouldn 't use what I'm learning here."

    Farooq has a point. Saturday focused on many of the more popular theories, beginning with inconsistencies at the site of the Pentagon crash and moving on to a controlled demolition of the towers. By Sunday the conference had covered weather control, weapons from space, and the idea that the planes that struck the towers never existed at all.

    Fetzer, in his closing remarks before lunch, declared the conference a sterling example of open scientific discourse. "I feel as though we 're right back at JFK," said Fetzer. "We're down the rabbit hole again."

    In a hushed meeting in the hallway, Von Kleist and another speaker, Doug Rokke, commiserated as the conference came to a close. "It's just counterproductive," said Von Kleist. "We've only added to the division this weekend."

    Rokke, leaning in, expressed his sympathies. "I know what you mean," he said, "and as for the infiltrators, there isn't one." Glancing around, he continued, "There are two."

    Posted 17 years ago #
  2. truthmod
    Administrator

    Yeah, there is definitely some subtext going on with these guys. Like the infiltrators joking about infiltration.

    I appreciate Von Kleist's conclusion; he's right.

    "It's just counterproductive," said Von Kleist. "We've only added to the division this weekend."

    Posted 17 years ago #
  3. Victronix
    Member

    Thanks for finding this. I spoke to this reporter -- tried to -- over the phone. It looks like the only benefit was the firm mention that our scholars group is vocalizing that we don't have anything to do with his scholars group.

    The guy was basically shocked at how much infighting was going on there and how everyone was into illuminati, etc., and seemed completely uninterested in science or the ability to actually prove anything. But the idea that there were two scholars groups seemed more than he could really take in and once I started in on how the mainstream media generally try to smear us with the mis- and disinfo crowd, he had to get off.

    Posted 17 years ago #
  4. truthmover
    Administrator

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    Dem,

    While no one is likely to issue a cease and disist, this post, being a reprinting of the entire article, is copyright infringement. This is the primary reason why the Forum Guidelines indicate that such posts will be edited. There are other reasons such as brevity and summary.

    In the future please select those paragraphs to present that best summarize the content of the article. The editorial interaction makes for a better post, and one more click to the whole story is very much in the spirit of the internet.

    Posted 17 years ago #
  5. truthmod
    Administrator

    But the idea that there were two scholars groups seemed more than he could really take in and once I started in on how the mainstream media generally try to smear us with the mis- and disinfo crowd, he had to get off.

    Disinformation works. Lots of people would like to ignore it or say it's not that important, but if it wasn't working, they wouldn't be doing it.

    Posted 17 years ago #

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