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1. sweetsacrifice
   Member

   Picking Up The Pace: A Suggestion Guide For The Next Month And A Half Part 1

   We're just a month and a half from the perhaps the biggest moment in the history of this movement, and the biggest potentially positive moment this country has seen in a long long time, somehow entrenched in a very sad anniversary. I know many people have been doing the monthly actions, and many do actions at other times, as well..some weekly(or even more). I'd like to use this oppurtunity to suggest the following:

   We have to create an overflow of momentum into the day. I think we have been building some momentum for quite some time, its safe to say, but what are we going to do to really tip the scale, so that the very moment we arrive at the Grounds, it can be the end of the reign for the criminals.

   We need to show people the significance of this time, not just on one day, or even on one weekend. Of course we want and need to show it then. But much like an event that comes into town, and leaves, it won't have the same lasting effect unless its "40 days and 40 nights", in a sense.

   Multiple WEEKLY Actions

   First thing i would propose to everyone who possibly can, to make it an absolute goal to hit the street a minimum of twice a week leading into the sixth anniversary, where ever you are. If possible, even more..but of course we all have only so much time and energy. This is very essential..everywhere people go, they need to see the signs of the time...we sure know the media won't show them. We need to do everything we can to show people this isn't just a day out, but this is a 24/7, 365 day a year movement and reality we are living in and must act upon. For many, even whom still go about the "typical" everyday lives, theres a rupture in their soul and something cutting at the back of their mind and it may be only waiting to be let out.

   I've made a commitment to do 30 actions by the second week of September. I've already done 3, so i'm off to a solid start. I'll do my best to reach that goal. No matter what, i can't fail.

   Now all this leads into my second suggestion:

   Go Into Your Neighborhood Streets And Neighborhoods Around You

   It is common in the movement to go out to town halls, city hot spots, public offices, ect. These are all good ideas, but not everyone gets out to these places, or even close to everyone. Furthermore, we want to demonstrate to people that this is important everywhere, in every street, in every neighborhood, not just in the big time spots. We need to bring community into this as much as possible. That has always been the strength of good states and nations. So absolutely, please reach into your local neighborhood and surrounding neighbhorhoods early and often. Make it your number one commitment. It will also cut down a bit on travel, which will save you time and energy, which is obviously at high demand right now.

   Artists: Visual And Musical Soundtrack

   Being in New York City and taking the subway, i know well that music becomes a background, a soundtrack, to travels through the city at one point or another. Drawings, Paintings, Photography, Mini-Plays all provide visual sound in many parts of the city, especially Central Park. I'm sure this is true for other places around the country as well, and as artists we can make it more so-and more widespread-right now, with the most crucial message. We can be a soundtrack that leads up to the moment. If you write any music, make any art, write any poetry, you name it, now is the time to unleash it publicly at parks..in subways..at all public places possible. People are plastered with false idea's of what is important..on billboards, in commercials, with much of mainstream music, ect. We have to offer them another possibility and let them choose. Now is the time to really do something you can look back on and be proud of, that you did with your talents. More then any great things you may ever do and be proud of with your art.

   Blast The News

   I'm sure this one is pretty much forgone for just about everyone. But comb over it, and any place you'd never think to make it known that the anniversary is coming, and the truth is going to be brought to light around the country(and world), hit up. I'd also suggest this for an idea that is starting to be passed around, a General Strike on 9/11/07. Drop down banners, on t-shirts, fliers, on dvd's you hand out(and/or edited within), on buttons, in legal grafitti..hell, with chalk on the roads, walls, in parks, ect..totally legal..you name it. Let it fly.

   Hit The Schools As Soon As They Open

   I'm jumping a bit ahead with this one, but hey, its only about another month or so.

   The schools are going to open about a week before the anniversary, if i am correct. Please make a plan to visit your local school a couple times if possible, as soon as they open. I'd highly encourage the very first day of school(find out how long the day is, when class starts and ends, it will probably be a half day), because you will be setting the tone for the new school year. You can do alot towards defining what those students make of their coming year, and what it will mean to them. Obviously, it would be wise to focus on High Schools. Elementary is just too young, of course, and i'd say thats true for most Intermediate School students as well. Flier outside a High School/s local to you, at the start or end of the class day. Bring dvd's and other materials you can hand out if possible. Make a second trip back if you can. Be sure to include information about anniversary events in the fliers if you can.

   I would suggest a trip or two to a/any college/s near you as well. And sinse they will likely open about a week before the High Schools, it will more likely give you spacing to get it done.

   Lastly, For Now...

   Put your differences aside. For goodness sake. Discussion and disagreement is fine, and sure we can't all stand to work right next to eachother(i can think of a few i don't trust to be around); but calling this one and that one agents, and not realizing that we will all be standing side by side on a day very soon, is a mistake. Some of us don't agree with all the information others pass along, and some of us make assumptions about motive. Not every gripe is unjustified, but we have to be alittle less quick to judge and a little quicker to ask ourselves where should i be placing my energy. We have to ask ourselves if maybe someone just believes something different then we do(this has happened before..for many of us, there was a time when we thought the official story was true, even). Hell, if someone is making it a goal to spread disinfo, then obviously one of their goals is to burn up your energy : ) SO...lets not fall into losing our energy internally when we have to face an external beast.

   I offer these words i've wrote, in closing, for those who cannot get along..you can at least say these to eachother and make double realization:

   I said "when the time comes, don't mistake me for your enemy" (he glanced) but right now, "don't mistake me for your friend"

   And then get down to what needs to be done : )

   Posted 17 years ago #
2. imgstacke
   Member

   I took the liberty of posting the message on the http://9-11.meetup.com/boards/ - with a link back to 911blogger.

   I think its a great message and should be spread as far as possible.

   Posted 17 years ago #
3. sweetsacrifice
   Member

   Oh excellent, thankyou much. I appreciate your positive words on it, as well. Seem to be getting a very good reaction from those who have viewed it so far, so i believe theres alot of use to the idea's with in, even beyond how i originally felt when i wrote it..which was pretty strongly on them : ) And even greater, alot of excellent idea's being thrown out there by those responding at the site as well : )

   Posted 17 years ago #
4. truthmod
   Administrator

   Yeah, this is an excellent call to action. If we're really serious about making change, we've got to start taking some risks and putting in some real work.

   TruthMove has been critical of certain ideologies and approaches within the movement, but for 9/11/07 we support everyone who is going to put in time and energy to fight for truth and justice.

   Posted 17 years ago #
5. sweetsacrifice
   Member

   Thankyou much. I feel we can make this time that time we have spoke about..that time where everywhere and anywhere we go we will not be shocked to see people talking about, materials pointing out, banners dropping down, you name it...everywhere. We have enough numbers to put this into effect over a series of weeks, and of course the hope is that coming out of the anniversary, we will have so many new people and perhaps finally tilt the scale where we won't need to double and triple up efforts anymore(though some of us may still do so ; ) ).

   We've go tap into the better part of everything, the good things where ever we can find them right now. And it is true, come that day we will be viewing and springboarding off a collection of all of our efforts.

   Side note right now, and jumping the gun, but would certainly love to see each organization schedule an action/s during the immediate couple days following the anniversary.

   Posted 17 years ago #
6. truthmover
   Administrator

   Not every gripe is unjustified, but we have to be alittle less quick to judge and a little quicker to ask ourselves where should i be placing my energy. We have to ask ourselves if maybe someone just believes something different then we do(this has happened before..for many of us, there was a time when we thought the official story was true, even). Hell, if someone is making it a goal to spread disinfo, then obviously one of their goals is to burn up your energy : ) SO...lets not fall into losing our energy internally when we have to face an external beast.

   In my daily web sweep I found that this originated at newyorkny911truth.org. Welcome to our forum, fellow NYC activist. You make a good case for the fact that we should be able to stand on the street together in solidarity behind our most basic shared priorities. I think very few of us would disagree with this.

   But this rhetoric of unity has its limits. These events are just one small, but very visible, part of what we all do year round. We could certainly try to do it more often. But when it really comes down to it, people in this movement want very different things. We have differing priorities and different strategies as a result. The NYC local movement, as we see it today, arose from the divergence of people's priorities. We all split up for significant reasons. While we may put those differences aside in those moments when our unified action benefits the whole, we think it more important that people actively put their biases aside year round.

   Real unity is not acting like you can deal with someone for a few hours. Real unity is having a commitment to our highest shared priorities, while recognizing the importance of checking our personal ideology and fascinations at the door. Most people aren't too good at that second part. This is a global movement driven by facts. And that very basic statement connotes certain parameters, not very well appreciated or respected by many in the local movement. Nationalism does not facilitate a global movement. And fallacy has no place among our facts.

   While I recognize that you weren't necessarily advocating a 'big tent' philosophy, calls to unity often push into this realm. Advocating that we unify around specific actions is quite reasonable. Advocating that we put all our differences aside and work closely with one another is not. Why? Not because TruthMove wasn't at first willing. While with NY911Truth for a time we tried to facilitate unity among the competing interests present. But when it became clear that Les had little interest in honest debate, and that others in the group did not appreciate our efforts, we left to start our own project. Later, some of those people who didn't appreciate our efforts split off from NY911Truth and became WeAreChange. And so there is little trust or communication between these groups at present, as we all appear to have very different priorities.

   The furthest extension of your attitude to me is some outside party moderating a discussion between the heads of the three groups. But in fact, we are past that point now. Luke proposed just such a dialog with Les at one point, to be moderated by Sander Hicks, and it never happened, because Les won't debate. But then again, I have no interest in confronting Les about his various lies, or pointing out to Luke that Ron Paul supports the John Birch Society.

   I think that in this marketplace of ideas, that we just all need to do our own thing, let our diversity of approach appeal to the different groups they would, and come together a couple times a year and act like we can stand one another for a few hours. Not a happy assessment, but practically founded.

   Now all the above doesn't mean there aren't people in each of these groups that see past their own interests to recognize our shared priorities. But they are few, as many have left the movement with a sense of isolation and frustration. There are a few of those disappointed people here on our forum.

   We're very candid here about our criticism of the other groups, and the movement at large. The 'big tent' approach very simply leads to distraction and 'death by association'. As I've been saying, we can't avoid the truth of the movement in a Truth Movement. Now, being candid is very different than being biased. Honest critique is an essential part of our mutual development. We can be as wrong as anyone else, and welcome people's response to our concerns.

   So we refute the idea that our expression of critique is divisive or disruptive. If our project is going to be divided or disrupted by the facts, or by a reasonable criticism, then maybe we aren't standing on very solid ground.

   Once again, I appreciate your basic intent here, that we should all be able to come together to show a unified front against the lies. I wish that temporary unity said more about our ability to work together at other times.

   Posted 17 years ago #
7. sweetsacrifice
   Member

   I certainly agree about not formatting a "big tent". Obviously its dangerous and can water down what we each wish to do, and i have my valid concerns with various groups local and across the nation(and beyond), as well. I think its just healthier, and i've offered this as a challenge to myself as well, to pursue springboarding off of the positive energies located amongst various org's, then to pour too much into what they are doing to drive us insane : ) There are alot of good individuals within organizations..usually its the top tier(the very fact there is one, a problem in itself) of the org's that cause flack. Connecting amongst eachother, and hearing eachother out if it comes down to discussion over various topics, is the least we can do.

   I think we can work in our chosen groups but still work together by mindful coordination. From sharing ideas: For example, passing this along as i have chosen to, to all corners i could reach so far, regardless of whether i agree on everything the sites portray, is healthy in my mind. I believe in the idea's, i feel it can stimulate more, and i believe so many people across the board are out for the truth-even if there are from place to place, some discrepencies right now. Furthermore taking note of good strategies other org's use, taking note of where they do actions, and the times, so that we can create a balance and a drenching of the city and nation(and world) at the same time, ect. When we focus on these elements more, we are working as one even when we aren't. And we can take the best elements of others, and use it to help turn our actions 2, 3, or 4 fold..and even beyond.

   I believe thats what i think about more, when saying we need to put more energy into working together. Also, of course, knowing we will have our day standing side by side, we need to be prepared for that. We need to ask how we can maximize our total outcome that day. We all have our vision of what it can be like. How can we make it happen? We must be prepared, lest we have people arguing that day/those days, because of differences. That i believe, would be very damaging. I'm sure there won't be perfection, but how close to that can we get?

   I'm not sure what you guys plans are for 9/11/07, though i do see some talk about the general strike here(excellent), but it doesn't mean you have to show up to where ever Alex Jones is speaking, to be effective and united. My personal pleasure would be to see thousands of people doing simultanious actions across the boroughs, rather then all couped up in one place, but i can do my part to make some of that happen by getting out thre with others interested that day. By thinking in those terms, i feel i'm more effective and making a good vision as much a reality i can. And i get the feeling me and those who join me at what ever location, won't be alone across the city ; ) But i guess all of this is what i'm trying to express.

   I do believe there is room(and needs to be), for criticism of others actions. I just feel like too much energy is being absorbed there. I've been betrayed by 2 groups in a matter of months, so trust me when i say i know it can take a huge toll to have to deal with behaviors and failures of organizations. I have a better understanding how you guys came about, and what happened regarding st. marks, having spoken with one of you guys earlier this summer. So i don't doubt you have an understanding of it as well. My main point of contention is that i believe most people are sincere in the movement, and by spending more time dealing with them in a positive, drawing way, we can offer them a better chance of gathering our incite that they may not see...i think the other way we are risking too much defensive behavior and we are essentially chasing people back into the comforts of the arms we may feel are not the best arms to be in.

   Hopefully i'm making sense here, i am kind of tired and i know this is a little scatter-brained. But thankyou for the indepth thoughts on it, would like to keep this discussion open if you wish.

   Posted 17 years ago #
8. Victronix
   Member

   It's normal to feel betrayed by groups and overwhelmed by the negativity of such events in your life.

   But the people we are talking about on most of these threads are not the people you are meeting in groups (although some are, most of the high-level ones are not). They are going to DC to present the most lunatic ideas they can possibly think of to congresspeople, NIST, the National Press Club, etc. They have a mission. They are utterly rejected in the 9/11 movement yet they claim to mainstream media that they represent us. They are tellling the press that they think that aliens have given time-travel technology to governments in secret. This isn't stuff you can have a conversation about, no matter how positive you are. If someone wants to embrace alien technology combined with 9/11 that's something I would speak out against, and I wouldn't worry about being positive. This is an information war.

   Group dynamics are different, but just as difficult in a lot of ways. All it takes is one person to control a group, unfortunately, in most cases. And what I've noticed is that most 9/11 groups are in constant flux membership wise - new people show up every week, some just take notes on the finances and seem to have no other interest. Then they are gone. Some start yelling about the Jews in the middle of a meeting. Some try to destroy the group entirely just before a big event. These can all be sincere people. But we also are not babysitters, and many of their problems are the same ones they've had for a lifetime and are simply re-enacting in the group environment. They can't help it, but we can't become their therapists.

   Most people are sincere, but many are misguided. A handful have an agenda opposite to ours. The majority of people in 9/11 groups also have social issues and some are virtually non-functional, on SSI or other support. 9/11 attracts those people.

   It's a process, is all I can say. Feeling traumatized by coping with it is because it's not just about truth, it's about war, in more ways that we realize.

   Posted 17 years ago #
9. truthmod
   Administrator

   Yes, we on the Left or in more intellectual, open-minded circles are often conditioned not to hurt people's feelings, not to critique or be harsh, to seek unity and understanding. Yet the world we live in doesn't play by those rules. And our opponents are cold-hearted technicians; they're not interested in hearing us out or considering our perspective or having compassion for us.

   This is the way it is. The sooner we realize it, and integrate it into our psyches, the better.

   The resistance can be about love and compassion while at the same time exercising strength, critique, and some measures of exclusivity.

   As Victronix says, it's a war, and it's a war that's been declared on us from birth, not one that we instigated. Those who would hurt our cause, whether intentionally or not, should not be tolerated (this doesn't mean kill them or send them to another country, just that they should be called out and not treated with kid gloves).

   Posted 17 years ago #
10. sweetsacrifice
    Member

    Hmm..i don't know, i believe in not becoming what we know the other side shouldn't be. I think we can "win" without it, and personally its the only way i would want to win, speaking for myself. But i can't make anyone else do it, got to be up to everyone else.

    Posted 17 years ago #
11. truthmover
    Administrator

    I might have already been down that road

    As I indicated above, your sentiments are familiar, as they were at one time my own, and are still not too far from my present view. Its very difficult for us to convey all our experience with people in the local movement that has lead us to our present position. We've been more candid about that lately, but many seem to have a hard time accepting that we are responding with a genuine and informed perspective. And because they don't identify or acknowledge the basis of our concerns, they interpret our actions as divisive or disruptive. They may even think we are infiltrators, trying to distract the movement with our concern for other issues. We've already heard it all. And from these very people you are suggesting we approach more diplomatically.

    TruthMove is committed to promoting the unifying principle of a Truth Movement, dedicated to informed consent. TruthMove is committed to promoting the most well founded facts related to 9/11. TruthMove has no organizational affiliation that we prioritize more highly than our basic principles. Sounds good so far, no? Well, others in the local movement have shown us that they do not recognize or appreciate our call for unity around principles we all should be able to agree on. Others have chosen to promote fallacy and divisive ideology alongside the facts. And others have very specifically demonstrated that they prioritize their affiliations before the more general principles upon which we can all agree.

    So what are we supposed to do with that? We aren't thinking its good to hide our concerns, when they originate from a desire for the movement to be unified around the best we have to offer. Things that most of us actually do agree on. As I've said, the diversity of approach extends our potential to reach many different audiences. At present the movement is growing as groups pop up all over the country, and handle the issue in the manner that is appropriate to their location. But what is 9/11 truth in NYC? Should it be divisive to ask that question, and pursue an answer? Is it divisive for me to suggest that someone's strategy is inadequate to their task? Is it divisive for me to point out an obvious fallacy? Is it divisive for me to be upset that people in these groups spread innuendo about us, while we choose to be open about our concerns?

    I could go on for a while at that. I hope you get my point. At the very base of this, people seem to have a hard time separating their ego from their rationality. Most of us are required to do something like this in just about any job we might have. You would certainly be doing it if you were a scientist, historian, or journalist. The people involved in TruthMove try pretty hard to check our issues at the door. That can be a challenge for anyone, but it's a part of our dedication to something a lot bigger than ourselves. We can't afford to get our feelings hurt by reasonable critique, as it is essential to our growth. We have every hope that people will pursue a reasonable discourse with us about anything we address.

    So where does the problem lie? With the people who are willing to openly address these issues, or with the people who avoid the conversation, and attack the messenger rather than responding to the message?

    TruthMove does not in any way represent the mainstream approach, or 'other side.' The other side is non-discursive. The other side is non-adaptive. The other side intends to undermine our efforts, and would be quite content to see us all standing under one 'big tent.'

    Posted 17 years ago #
12. sweetsacrifice
    Member

    Its a good road to be down, plenty wide enough for everyone to get back on, too ; )

    Maybe there is no other side. Maybe we are just moving at different speeds. Then again, maybe its all just revealing humanity doesn't have that much to say for itself, even when the veil is removed. Don't know for sure, but i think most of the "sides" we see are likely illusion. Its all developmental.

    Criticism, even brothers and sisters and best friends deliver to eachother sometimes. Instructive criticism is a good thing, no question about that.

    We all have to do what we truly think is best, and i think there is grey area..hopefully slowly dissapearing, and that it will continue to. In writing this, and in posting this to your site, it wasn't a direct commentary on any behavior by your organization. I posted it everywhere i knew i could, as a series of ideas. No consideration was taken into whether one site or group or persons, were more or less regarded to, in those words. Just wanted all the idea's out there, and people will hopefully strive for them or at least hopefully it will stimulate more creativity and discussion of what we can do to make things better and rapid.

    I appreciate you sharing so many thoughts. In due respect, i think as a movement we can do more. I think so many of us have had to do more then we should have had to, none the less. So really we could do less, if we had more help. But in regards to unity, yes we can do more. I think alot of us have to "upgrade", at least a little. I start with myself to see where i can help with that. Second thing i thought to do was include it when writing on idea's i had, which all stemmed from me thinking...boy, some people are really fustrating me but i have to stop any focus on them and reinstitute that energy where i want it. So i hope in anyone, where ever, who is losing time and energy to the shortcomings of others, it can be of use to them. And i don't think that will put us in a big tent : ) I do believe we could end up in one if we got to lax, but i don't believe such a change will cause lax..but rather a burst of energy. I could be wrong, but going on results when i've seen them, i believe its true. be well

    Posted 17 years ago #

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