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  1. truthmod
    Administrator

    Holocaust Denial and the next 9/11 Conference?

    This doesn't look good. Why do I have to go to Screw Loose Change to hear about how someone (Eric D. Williams) who's written a holocaust denial book is organizing the latest 9/11 truth conference in Arizona. Maybe he does have some good information/questions; it doesn't matter, nobody with a background like this should be in such a visible position within the movement. He should have allowed someone else to put their name on the project...
    http://911accountability.org/accountability/index....

    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/holoc...
    This just looks terrible.

    Williams' site:
    http://www.whatreallyisthematrix.com/

    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/2007-02-01/n...

    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2258505

    Here's Williams' summary of "evidence" from his own Amazon page:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A3SQ33...
    [quote]1) The hijackers names do not appear on any passenger list.
    8) If this isn't odd enough, eight of the named hijackers are still alive.
    20) Flight 175 had a tail number of N612UA. This number is still in use today. This suggests that the plane which struck the WTC North Tower was not Flight 175.
    31) Planes Don't Blow Up' Aviation Experts Assert' 41) WTC 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds. 0.5 seconds faster than free-fall. And remember nothing impacted this building. 51) There can be seen plumes of smoke, similar to demolition charges being set off, coming from below the collapsing tower. 59) No 757 aircraft parts were found at the Pentagon. No wings, no tail, no seats, no luggage, no plane. 67) CNN correspondent Jamie McIntyre reporting live from the Pentagon stating that there was no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the building. 73) As with the Pentagon, no plane wreckage was found at thecrash site' of Flight 93 in Pennsylvania.
    82) John Ashcroft; Willie Brown, Mayor of San Francisco; Shalmon Rustie, author, all stopped flying on commercial airliners before the attacks.[quote]

    Denier's Conference

    Hold onto your binoculars, bird lovers. This so-called "9/11 Accountability Conference" to be held February 23-25 at Chandler's Crown Plaza San Marcos is being organized by — get this — a gen-u-wine Holocaust denier.

    You heard this cuckoo correctly. The crackpot parade descending on Chandler to discuss why the attacks on 9/11 were an inside job by George W. Bush & Co. are to be led by Eric D. Williams, author of the self-published tome The Puzzle of Auschwitz, which claims there were no gas chambers at the infamous Nazi concentration camp, that Jews were not systematically murdered there, and that, furthermore, Hitler's Final Solution's a prevarication propagated by an international Zionist conspiracy.

    Posted 17 years ago #
  2. truthmover
    Administrator

    Intentional hit!

    This is shaping up to look like an intentional hit on the movement, with otherwise well intentioned people being duped by an agent who has set himself up in the movement only to publish a book about holocaust denial, just before hosting a 9/11 truth conference.

    He's now played his card, and has no more to play, but what damage has he done? The MSM is perfectly willing to say that we're all a bunch of crazy bigots. And that's what's going to happen if people don't pull out of this event, or kick out Eric Williams in a very explicit manner.

    My thoughts go out to the other organizers who must feel very betrayed at this point. I hope they are able to salvage the conference...without Eric Williams.

    Posted 17 years ago #
  3. truthmod
    Administrator

    blogger post

    my post on blogger:

    http://www.911blogger.com/node/5916

    Sorry if you find this "divisive," but I think it's an important issue, and one that seems to not have been addressed by the movement.

    Does anyone else find it a little disconcerting that the director of the this conference has a new book of Holocaust revisionism called "The Puzzle of Auschwitz?" His prior books were on 9/11, fascism, the matrix, etc., yet his latest release is on a topic that can taint anything connected to it. Even if the information is accurate, it is not a subject or association that is going to advance our cause.

    So how did this happen? Someone should have taken issue with this and at the very least asked Williams to play a less visible roll.

    William's site:
    http://www.whatreallyisthematrix.com/home

    Sorry to point you to Screw Loose Change, but you can see how this might be something the "skeptics" and "debunkers" could use against us very effectively.
    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/holoc...

    A post on TruthMove about this:
    http://www.truthmove.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=272

    I am removing this conference from the TruthMove events page because of this

    Posted 17 years ago #
  4. Victronix
    Member

    Our local 911 group addressed this issue on our email this morning and in a meeting last night (which I didn't make it to) since one of the conference organizers is in our group. Here is the dialog -

    On 2/1/07, Scott P wrote:

    This is disturbing- We should have known more about Eric Williams other interests- is it too late to ask him to back away from the conference?~ Scott Page

From today's 9/11Blogger today:

9/11 accountability conference | Anti-Semitism

Sorry if you find this "divisive," but I think it's an important issue, and one that seems to not have been addressed by the movement.

Does anyone else find it a little disconcerting that the director of the this conference has a new book of Holocaust revisionism called "The Puzzle of Auschwitz?" His prior books were on 9/11, fascism, the matrix, etc., yet his latest release is on a topic that can taint anything connected to it. Even if the information is accurate, it is not a subject or association that is going to advance our cause.

So how did this happen? Someone should have taken issue with this and at the very least asked Williams to play a less visible roll.

William's site:
http://www.whatreallyisthematrix.com/home

Sorry to point you to Screw Loose Change, but you can see how this might be something the "skeptics" and "debunkers" could use against us very effectively.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/holoc...

A post on TruthMove about this:
http://www.truthmove.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=272

I am removing this conference from the TruthMove events page because of this.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5916#comment-112747

    Victronix to sf911truth show details 12:08 pm (3½ hours ago)

    Thanks for posting this Scott. I think that people like Janette who are working on the conference are doing their best job and should know that we support her when tough decisions like these come up. To be suddenly confronted with issues like this must be extremely difficult. Anytime she has to make a tough decision on turning away someone from the conference for the sake of the legitimacy of the whole movement -- if these allegations are correct -- we should let Janette know that we support her 100%.

    A CNN show just this week focused on linking the 9/11 movement with racism via the "Jews did it" claim. While we can all work against Zionism, I think we are all aware by now how easily this issue is used to smear us all. The reporter interviewed several researchers - Griffin, Jones, etc - but ultimately only used Christopher Bollyn and Eric Hufschmid to smear the movement. It's easy to do when Bollyn has been a David Duke guest and Hufschmid openly pins everything on the Jews every chance he gets. This story might never have come out if it wasn't so easy to find people connected to real racism. The transcript for the show is here (bottom of the page):

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0701/30/pzn...

    "We have all heard some absolutely incredible 9/11 conspiracy theories. The web of course is full of them. But tonight we're bringing one out that feeds on racism out in the open. We were absolutely shocked by one recent poll that found out that one in every three Americans believe the terror attacks were not the work of America's enemies, but some sort of inside job. And Deborah Feyerick found a smaller percentage who believe an even uglier theory."

    Best of luck to the conference organizers. I know how difficult the process can be.

    • Vic
    Posted 17 years ago #
  5. truthmod
    Administrator

    Thanks Vic

    I was amazed that this had yet to be discovered/uncovered by the movement. As many others have pointed out, it could be a case of bait and switch, with Williams announcing his latest book right before the conference.

    It sure does seem like the anti-truth forces are playing some of their more important cards. The distinctions are becoming very clear.

    We consider Janette a friend and we too wish her good luck in dealing with such a difficult issue. The movement is stronger than this, but perhaps some of us need to operate with a bit more skepticism toward our supposed allies. Paranoia is a completely different thing than reasoned caution and vigilance.

    I for one suggest that we take William Pepper's advice and march (and camp) on Washington this spring or summer.

    Posted 17 years ago #
  6. truthmod
    Administrator

    williams demoted to vendor coordinator

    http://911accountability.org/accountability/index....

    Vendor Coordinator Eric D. Williams info@911accountability.org

    Conference Programming Development Kent Knudson 911cd@cox.net

    Posted 17 years ago #
  7. truthmover
    Administrator

    Williams' response to being kicked out of the conference.

    The following was Eric Williams' response to having been asked to play no part in the 911 Accountability Conference. This statement was only on the page for one day before being taken down. Thanks to casseia over at 911Blogger for posting it before it was gone.

    About my latest book The Puzzle of Auschwitz

    I have published a book that may have offended many individuals and that was not my intention with this book.

    Out of respect for those I may have offended I have pulled the book from this site as well as the site of the publisher.

    The issue surrounding the Holocaust involves more research and an open mind.

    The main thing this lesson in life has taught me is that it is a crime to think for yourself, and that is the only thing I am guilty of: Thought Crime.

    It shouldn't be a crime to think for yourself or to question the official story of anything or any subject, but unfortunately it is. It is also unfortunate that we don't have an independent media that goes through obvious questions about the official story, but only regurgitates it without question.

    In closing, the unnecessary death of anyone is a tragedy, and the death of any amount of people is in my opinion, a holocaust.

    We have been lied to about 9/11, the War on Terrorism, and so many other things throughout history. I only wish to shed light on the lies to prevent more unnecessary deaths.

    Thanks for your comments and concerns.

    Peace!

    Eric D. Williams

    Posted 17 years ago #
  8. truthmod
    Administrator

    i never claimed to have "broken" the story

    maybe someone else said that, but i didn't. i guess i was the first one in "the movement" to post it, as you can see by the timestamp above on this thread.

    screw loose change is covering this like it's the biggest thing ever...

    http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

    this is nuts, they even noticed when my post on 911blogger went down for an update and made a post about it:

    Well, is this a bit of hilarious Stalinism from the "Truthers" over at 9-11 Blogger, or what? One of the bloggers over at TruthMove.org created a post at 9-11 Blogger about Eric D. Williams, the Holocaust Denier who's running the 9-11 Accountability Conference. It certainly generated a lot of attention, with something like 50 replies. But... you probably guessed it, it's been disappeared. Possibly by edict of Commissar Reprehensor?

    Update: The post has reappeared.

    Update II: My apologies to 9-11 Blogger and Reprehensor. We have seen the Loose Change board frequently remove posts from their forum on many occasions and I assumed that was what happened here. Nico gives a possible explanation in the comments that seems logical.

    Labels: 9-11 Blogger, Stalinis

    Posted 17 years ago #
  9. truthmover
    Administrator

    Elie Weisel attacked by Holocaust denier

    While I am certainly not making the insinuation that Eric Williams would ever support anything like this, as he does not advocate violence, I thought that it would be good to bring this to the table in order to promote reflection on the kind of behavior associated with this issue.

    http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Holocaust_author...

    Posted 17 years ago #
  10. Victronix
    Member

    The latest on this evolving situation -

    http://phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs/?p=235

    My favorite line:

    "It was an attempt to ventriloquate (sic) the Arab-Muslim position in the face of this idiot"

    Posted 17 years ago #
  11. SkepticGuy
    Member

    Re: i never claimed to have "broken" the story

    truthmod Wrote:

    screw loose change is covering this like it's the biggest thing ever..
    Well... it's certainly another in a growing list of problems.

    However...

    Please, you can't tell me people looked at this:
    http://www.whatreallyisthematrix.com
    And thought, "yeah sure, he's organize a credible 9/11 conference."
    I mean really... who thought that to beign with?

    Posted 17 years ago #
  12. truthmover
    Administrator

    "He did a lot for the cause."

    Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant

    http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F...

    "Bill White, a former spokesman for the National Socialist Movement who participated in the rally and now runs another neo-Nazi group, said he was surprised to hear of Gletty's involvement with the FBI. He said Gletty did a lot for the cause."

    Maybe this is a good place for this. Does this sound kind of familiar to you guys? "He did a lot for the cause." The story details how this guy established himself in the neo-nazi movement. Infiltration tactics on review. Do some writing, start a website, make connections, plan events that bring negative attention to the group. We may not like the target, but all our civil liberties are at stake.

    Unfortunately, honest, sincere people will always be susceptible to this kind of infiltration. The only way I know to respond is to be open about my motivations and priorities, and request the same of others. We should get to know the people we work with. At least in so far as it relates to their investment in the movement.

    I don't want to know that you got arrested when you were 19 for public drunkenness, but I think everyone truly invested in this movement has a pretty compelling story about how and why they came to take the 'red pill.' If you ask someone about this, and their answer is lacking any emotional or spiritual depth, what are you to assume? This isn't the chess club.

    Now, I'm not implying that we all be forced to make a public statement about our intentions. That sounds rather fascist. I'm just saying that in a movement prone to infiltration, that we have to be clear about objectives and strategies, so that these people can not lead us down the wrong path. People in leadership positions are especially responsible for clarifying their motivations and priorities.

    I hope people in the movement would all try to have a friendly, get to know one another, attitude, and let our differences honestly and calmly inform our working relationships. And if we are very different, let's just do separate projects, and not fight over any small territory, on the ground or on the internet, when the field is so wide open. We can debate one another from our respective positions, without having to work together.

    In my experience, people recognize crap when they see it. When those pushing crap are off doing their own, they receive little attention. But attaching their crap to our movement, they are able to exploit our social networks, and growing public awareness. No crap!

    Posted 17 years ago #
  13. SkepticGuy
    Member

    Re: "He did a lot for the cause."

    truthmover Wrote:

    Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant
    http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F...

    snip<
    Maybe this is a good place for this. Does this sound kind of familiar to you guys? &quot
    Familiar! Sheesh... it's "tame" by historical standards. FBI agents and informants engineered the LA gang wars and established the customer base for the war on drugs.

    Look, I've seen all levels of paranoid reactions to "CoIntelPro" and infiltration over the years... it's like the weather, everyone talks about it but no one does anything about it.

    It's a fact of life when you venture down these particular rabbit holes. Long ago I classified it as three categories of information: fact, fiction, and hokum.
    "fact" is an irrefutable and confirmed piece of info
    "fiction" is the accidental misinformation of crazy theories
    "hokum" is the purposeful disinformation of agents provocateur

    Facts are obviously valuable.

    Fictions are of no value, and often a detriment.

    But recognized hokums are the most valuable, as they provide a glimpse at the opposite direction of where "they" would like us to go.

    Posted 17 years ago #
  14. truthmod
    Administrator

    more questionable associations - 9/11 Mysteries, Brad

    caught this from screw loose change again http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/02/two-d...

    http://www.question911.com/
    Supposedly (unconfirmed) the site of "Brad" from "9/11 Mysteries," Sofia's profile on the 9/11 Accountability site does point to it and it basically only refers to the worst videos (Eyewitness, In Plane Site, etc.)

    Sofia - "911 Mysteries"

    Sofia (a.k.a. "Smallstorm") is a former magazine editor, book doctor and fiction writer ose first contribution to the 9/11 movement was a 3-minute Internet Flash movie in 2004 that traveled the globe. This gave birth to a live presentation of video evidence entitled 911 Mysteries," performed at the Met Theatre in Hollywood, California in the summer of 2005 with Brad (of http://www.question911.com/). Nationwide requests for a DVD of the show resulted in the creation of "911 Mysteries Part 1: Demolitions," released in September 2006, a 90-minute film laying the facts of science against the myth of the Twin Towers' collapse. The first 9/11 documentary written, directed and narrated by a woman, "911 Mysteries" is fast gaining ground as one of the movement's strongest tools, with well over a million Internet downloads in its first few months. It will be followed by "Part 2: Hijackers and Planes" and "Part 3: Who Benefits."

    Just noticed this when I was looking over the current roster of speakers for the 9-11 Accountability Conference. Their bio for "Sofia" the Space Cadet director and narrator of 9-11 Mysteries includes a link to "Brad's" website, Question 9-11.

    And if you click on that link, you'll find Brad mentioning his good friend (and Holocaust Denier) Eric Hufschmid:

    We asked Eric Hufschmid, the author of the DVD called Painful Deceptions, to allow us to post his video on our web site, and he agreed that the word needs to get out to everyone in every way possible. He also sells his DVD's and books at his site, and offers boxes of them for low cost.

    And there is a link under Eric's name that takes you to his own website, where you can learn lots of interesting facts about 9-11 and the Zionists and the Holocaus

    Posted 17 years ago #
  15. truthmover
    Administrator

    Strategic response

    But recognized hokums are the most valuable, as they provide a glimpse at the opposite direction of where "they" would like us to go.

    Good point! Many people don't recognize disinformation for the extent to which it exposes the exact intentions of those who are trying to undermine our efforts. For instance promotion of wild speculation, and how that plays out in the MSM. We need to look very carefully at attempts to discredit us, and formulate a strategic response.

    Posted 17 years ago #

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