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Conceptualizing a COVID "Big Lie" (10 posts)

  1. truthmod
    Administrator

    First of all, there are a lot of suspect people on the right who are prominent COVID skeptics. That doesn't mean that it is bullshit. Those people were also into 9/11. The NWO / David Icke crowd seems to have made a comeback with COVID, but there are millions of other people asking questions.

    People who immediately turn off because of the perceived association of a particular line of research are not being objective, open-minded thinkers. I did this same thing for many years with the Federal Reserve, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral Commission, Rockefellers, etc.

    What would Mike Ruppert say about COVID? John Judge? Mae Brussell?

    There are several main avenues of skepticism / inquiry:

    1. Lab leak / Fauci Wuhan Funding / gain of function / intentional release / Event 201

    2. Questions/doubts surrounding the severity of the virus

    3. Suppressed treatments (Ivermectin / HCQ / etc.)

    4. Safety / Effectiveness of vaccines

    5. Shock Doctrine type plans / The Great Reset / WEF / Technocratic biometric surveillance state (NWO)

    6. Global depopulation scheme / vaccines as the vehicle for something very nefarious

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. truthmod
    Administrator

    Could this whole line of argument / movement be a plot to destabilize society and cast doubt on the legitimacy of government?

    Could some liberals end up saying, "Yeah, maybe it was staged or exaggerated, but they had to do it to power down the economy to save the environment."?

    Why do people seem to fall into the all or nothing camps?

    Has Democracy Now ever done a segment on the Great Reset? Has Naomi Klein said anything about the unprecedented Shock Doctrine opportunities?

    Is everyone going insane?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. truthmod
    Administrator

    Implications of a Big Lie:

    • Doctors and "Science" are not to be trusted within this system.

    • The number of experts who should be able to give us objective information here is way beyond 9/11. If these experts have all been either hoodwinked, intimidated, or are "in" on the plot, then we are in much more advanced authoritarian situation than we thought.

    • The herd mentality of the liberals can actually be the driver towards authoritarianism

    • The concerns of the right-wing / libertarian / NWO crowd about liberty and freedom are legit and not just to be laughed at by us educated lefties.

    • The audacity would appear to be almost insane. But the same could be said of JFK, 9/11, etc.

    • "Civilized" people subjected to fear and propaganda can easily turn against truth and decency.

    • This will be possibly the biggest opportunity in history to wake people up, or to, more likely, herd people into new paradigms of control.

    Implications of a "Big Lie Movement" that is actually totally wrong:

    • Many people we trusted are being taken in by propaganda and disinformation.

    ...

    Whatever the case, these viewpoints seem to be very entrenched. If anything, the Big Lie faction is only growing. There doesn't seem to be any conclusive data that will dispel the skeptics anytime soon. We are looking at the long term reformation of international politics and dissent.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. truthmod
    Administrator

    List of bloggers / journalists / researchers who I was already following who ARE questioning the COVID situation in some form:

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. truthmod
    Administrator

    Resilience.org / Post Carbon Institute reposted this article from OpenDemocracy:

    Conspiracy theories aside, there is something fishy about the Great Reset
    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2021-08-24/cons...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. truthmod
    Administrator

    If you have no reservations about vaccine passports and the new biometric ID2020 plan, I don't really know what to say.

    https://id2020.org/alliance

    This seems to be the position of much of the left media and a large segment of left activists. The idea may be: "Hold off on any criticism or skepticism in the interest of Public Health or, more likely, in the interest of maintaining ones reputation."

    Democracy Now site search shows no results in headlines for "Great Reset."

    https://www.democracynow.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93...

    Vandana Shiva:

    The Pandemic Is a Consequence of the War Against Life
    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-09-23/bill...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. truthmod
    Administrator

    Yes, it turns out Naomi Klein has written about it. But the thrust seems to be, "Don't worry about the Great Reset; it's just a big conspiracy theory, a "bastardization" of my Shock Doctrine thesis.

    The Great Reset Conspiracy Smoothie

    A viral conspiracy theory blends together legitimate critiques with truly dangerous anti-vaccination fantasies and outright coronavirus denialism.

    https://theintercept.com/2020/12/08/great-reset-co...

    Writing about “The Great Reset” is not easy. It has turned into a viral conspiracy theory purporting to expose something no one ever attempted to hide, most of which is not really happening anyway, some of which actually should.

    It’s extra confusing for me to unpick this particular knot because at the center of it all is a bastardization of a concept I know a little something about: the shock doctrine.

    ...

    None of this is to say that Schwab’s Reset push is benign and unworthy of scrutiny. All kinds of dangerous ideas are lurking under its wide brim, from a reckless push toward more automation in the midst of a joblessness crisis, to the steady move to normalize mass surveillance and biometric tracking tools, to the very real (though not new) problem of Bill Gates’s singular power over global health policy.

    ...

    Is it all a plan, another kind of elaborate conspiracy? Nothing so elegant. As Steve Bannon kindly told us, the informational strategy of the Trump era has always been to “flood the zone with shit.” Four years later, we can see what this looks like in practice. It looks like far-left and far-right conspiracists sitting down over a tray of information-shit sandwiches to talk about how the Great Reset is Gates’s plan to use the DNA from our Covid-19 tests to turn the United States into Venezuela.

    It makes no sense, and that’s just fine by the likes of Bannon, and Kenney as well. Because if you want to keep waging war on the Earth’s life-supporting ecology, a great way to do it is to deliberately pollute its democracy-supporting information ecology. In fact, the pollution is the point.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. truthmod
    Administrator

    Max Blumenthal is definitely on board with questioning the COVID narrative...

    Foreign Agents #10 - Covid and Mass Hypnosis w/Dr. Mattias Desmet https://rokfin.com/stream/9705/Foreign-Agents-10--...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. truthmod
    Administrator

    If you think that all the COVID skepticism is BS, you are saying that all these people are falling for propaganda.

    If you are saying that it's legit, you are saying that the whole world is falling for propaganda.

    Whatever your position, some people see this as the ENDGAME playing out in real time. There is a segment of people who are going to go to pretty extreme lengths to resist.

    Will Trump run in 2024 on a "COVID IS A LIE" platform?

    Will we see some Left / Right alliance form as the resistance or will any leftists be drowned out by the huge Red State resistance already in existence?

    If the COVID data is as clearly contradictory to the whole mainstream narrative as the skeptics claim, how long can they keep a lid on that? It would seem like a pretty desperate move and one they wouldn't make without the following one already laid out.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. mark
    Member

    Yes, they are falling for disinformation. It's very similar to what happened with "no plane" BS in 9/11 half truth.

    None of the so-called skeptics you cite have expertise in biology, virology, public health, etc. A couple of them are promoting the f-ing John Birch Society as an alleged authority on mask wearing, which is nuts. Why do people think doctors wear masks during surgery?

    I'm curious how many of these skeptics could describe differences between viruses and bacteria. A good friend who is deeply affiliated with anti-fax BS is stubborn but not well informed. I mentioned the worldwide campaign that eradicated smallpox and he replied that smallpox is not a virus. I asked where he "learned" this from and refused to reply. The eradication of smallpox in the 1970s cost less than a single B-1 bomber - and it was done through vaccination.

    In 1918 there was an "Anti Mask Society" that had similar disastrous consequences during so-called Spanish Flu. There is nothing new about this. Yes, mask wearing isn't fun, but wearing a ventilator is less fun than that.

    I wrote for Ruppert and knew him extremely well, but if he was alive today I would not be that interested in his views about virology. Not his expertise. Sorry.

    Being alarmed at the way the world has been structured is not the same thing as virus denial / downplaying.

    When Trump became hypoxic and had to be rushed to Walter Reed he was given monoclonal antibodies, dexamethasone (steroid that helps with covid), remdesivir and some other things. He was not given hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin or bleach. About three months after that, when the monoclonal antibodies had waned, he was vaccinated just before leaving the White House.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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