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  1. BrianG
    Member

    Let's suppose that JFK, MLK, and RFK were all killed by the same people and for the same reasons.

    So then we have Squeaky and Sara Jane and John Hinckley and such like to make incompetent assaults on Republicans to serve the notion that nutjobs assassinate routinely and bipartisanly.

    And than along comes 9/11, with both baffling instances of government non-transparency and a whole lot of seemingly well-funded and very repulsive conspiracy theories.

    Maybe motivating aggressive war, torture, domestic surveillance, expanded military budgets etc. was just gravy for the 9/11 op. Maybe the real purpose was to incite conspiracism and create an atmosphere of conspiracy fatigue that would prevent people from re-evaluating the JFK, MLK, RFK events.

    We already botched the JFK 50. Let's do the MLK 50 and RFK 50 right.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. truthmod
    Administrator

    9/11 came along just as anti-globalization protests were getting strong. Bush had just stolen the election. It wiped the slate clean and "changed everything." Imagine what the world would have been like if Al Gore had become president.

    "aggressive war, torture, domestic surveillance, expanded military budgets" were clearly the primary goals of 9/11. The assassinations are old news and do not present top priorities for the establishment.

    MLK 50 and RFK 50 aren't until 2018. I hope we have some better strategies to get coverage, but we shouldn't be waiting that long.

    All the classified JFK documents are supposed to be released in 2017. That should be a good opportunity as well...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_John...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. mark
    Member

    Well, Gore did win ... but wasn't allowed to. My only regret in voting for Nader is that Nader didn't win.

    I still remember what Gore brought us - more shredding of environmental laws, NAFTA, WTO, abolition of food safety rules, more nukes, highways, Anti Terror and Effective Death Penalty Act, etc. And the idea of Joe Lieberman as VP was a horrible concept.

    The 2000 "election" should have shown everyone that democracy is not really what we have.

    The details of the assassinations are old news but the cover up is current. The fact there's still so much BS thrown at the JFK assassination (whether the official story, the false sponsors or the ridiculous disinfo) shows that obfuscation is still a priority of the power system.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. BrianG
    Member

    Yes, the NORC ballot study did show that Gore got more legal votes than Bush did, and one of the WaPo stories about the vote count was even honest enough to admit that fact in the second paragraph.

    The story that I saw in the NYT was essentially the same as what ran in the LA Times and some Florida paper and one other. It was framed such as to reveal only at the end of the article that Gore got more votes, and to make that fact seem irrelevant, and I swallowed it at the time. It was only after I very reluctantly went to see "Fahrenheit 9/11" that I learned that law school professors condemned the Bush v. Gore decision and that 9/11 had totally pre-empted the fact that the NORC study found that Gore got more votes.

    I wouldn't vote for Gore largely for the reasons you cite, and I wouldn't vote for Bush either. I was inclined in 2000 to regard Republicans as reasonable and rational people and probably would have voted for McCain had he been on the ballot. He wasn't, so I didn't vote at all. I didn't even know Nader was running.

    Of course after Bush took power it was clear that the Republicans' presumed rationality and reasonableness caused them to put their own economic and family interests above national interests such that they were unwilling to defend the Constitution, liberty, or even simple human decency from the Bushcist assault.

    I read the Dershowitz book and the Bugliosi book on the 2000 "selection" and was convinced. I checked the question out with a prominent lawyer I knew and he confirmed it publicly while speaking before dozens of people.

    The details of the RFK and MLK assassinations are anything but old news. Few people know that in the RFK case more bullets were fired than Sirhan's gun could hold, and about the teenager's photos shot from a tabletop that would have told the whole tale--photos the State of California lost. Few people know about the MLK family's civil suit in Memphis against Loyd Jowers and the jury's verdict in that case and all the B.S. about James Earl Ray. I know about it because of an article in the Chicago Reader way back, I guess when Jowers was on TV.

    Obfuscation on the JFK is all the more reason that we need to start early to prepare to shed light on the MLK and RFK. We need to do so in a manner that sidesteps the "conspiracy buff" label that has hurt both the JFK and the 9/11 movements.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. BrianG
    Member

    Speaking of Dershowitz, in the winter of 2001/2002 (it was cold!) I happened to be in a bookstore around 80th street on Broadway when he happened to show up to talk about about terrorism. At that early date he was talking about the "ticking time bomb" theory. It made sense to me at the time.

    I don't remember the date it was, but the weekend the DC Metro subway line offered a big anti-terrorist discount, I took a bus from NYC to visit someone in DC. My bus left from the Port Authority, and while I was waiting I saw a great big suitcase with no apparent owner placed at the top of a big stairway. I hid behind a substantial column waiting for someone to come and pick it up, and when they didn't show I went downstairs to look for a security authority. I found none. I returned to the suitcase site, and eventually wandered off.

    Then my bus went down to DC. A young Muslim-looking guy was in a seat opposite me, and I was sitting with my legs up in the second seat, looking at him. At one point the Muslim-looking guy went back to the bathroom. When he came out, the bus driver pulled the bus over and thoroughly searched the bathroom before he went on.

    When the bus reached DC, the Muslim-looking guy was obviously detained for questioning as I got off. I simply bowed in respect to his personhood, but I had no respect for his rights.

    I recognized that when some DC officials heard my story. I expected them to validate my lack of respect for human rights, and they said the whole thing that I thought was okay was illegal.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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