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Wikileaks and the ensuing "cyberwar" (12 posts)

  1. truthmod
    Administrator

    Former CIA intelligence analyst: ‘The Fourth Estate is dead’
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/former-cia-inte...

    http://cryptogon.com/?p=19222

    I think most of us who've been fighting the battle to get critical information out to the public for years are a looking at this whole Wikileaks thing with a little skepticism. Revolutionary information, including government documents that prove they are lying, is not that hard to come by, so why does Wikileaks get this huge uproar of media attention and now all these hackers fighting on their behalf?

    But I do understand that Wikileaks is releasing unseen and recent government information that is more "newsworthy" (and digestible) than most of the dated stuff we all promote. I'm all for it and I respect the need to separate certain efforts from others. I don't begrudge Assange what he said about 9/11 truth:

    I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud

    This "cyberwar" that's going on now is fascinating and it does apply to all of us who discuss and promote information that our governments aim to suppress. I don't necessarily see the outcome of the cyberwar going in our favor, because in the end, it is the governments and corporations who control our access to these channels of information. We don't own the fiber optic cables or the satellites and even if we can hack them temporarily, the corporations/governments have the means to shut them down completely and re-engineer the security.

    Perhaps we are living in a liminal stage where the controlling factions are still getting a grip on the new technology and our window of opportunity to get out revolutionary information to the world is actually much shorter than we assume. Where are we left without the internet? I think most of us have become too dependent on it, in many different ways.

    Whatever the outcome, these are historical times we're witnessing.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. NicholasLevis
    Member

    Hanging out mostly at RI when on the Web these days.

    Very long thread debating Wikileaks significance here (including answers to John Young).

    http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. NicholasLevis
    Member

    Who's still in NYC? I was thinking about the possibility of a live event on the Wikileaks phenomenon, the reaction, especially the stuff coming out in the cables...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. truthmod
    Administrator

    Thanks, looks like you've covered pretty much all the angles in that thread. People ask why WL isn't leaking 9/11 or other paradigm-challenging info, but obviously, that kind of stuff isn't documented or it's classified on a much higher level.

    I guess the most feasible arguments that it's some sort of setup are that it's going to justify a crackdown on internet freedom and increased government secrecy safeguards, and that it's promoting US interests regarding Iran, China, Russia, etc. But I'm not convinced. But who knows, maybe Anonymous is an intelligence operation too.

    I enjoyed the Rap News Wikileaks parodies:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbCwq4ewBU

    This one even features a paranoid crackpot who's saying it's a government setup:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/thejuicemedia#p/u/0/3a...

    There is only one TM person left in NYC, I'll let him identify himself, if he wants to.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  5. christs4sale
    Administrator

    I would love to attend a live event about Wikileaks in NYC. Let me know.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. mark
    Member

    The media died when they covered up the coup of November 22, 1963. Those that perpetrated that would not have dared if they didn't know they already had the media in their pocket. It's amazing the illusion of the "free press" has lasted as long as it has.

    Brave New World Order.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. Mr-Anderson
    Member

    The documents relating to 9/11 would be secured and placed within technology that isn't even comprehensible to us.

    I therefore question Manning's ability to gather classified information, security isn't that lax in intelligence installations. Would it be fair to assume he's a patsy intended to fuel the tit-for-tat between hackers-media-government-general public?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  8. truthmod
    Administrator

    It's a fair speculation that he might be a pawn in a larger game. Maybe he and Assange are genuine, but he was allowed to access and leak those particular documents because the government wanted him to.

    The paranoid fascists in power are very concerned about asymmetrical warfare. As they've built their empires, they've had to trample so many people, and they know that these people aren't happy about it. I do believe that "terrorism," "eco-terrorism," hacking, and cyber/information-warfare keep these people up at night because, on some level, they realize that when you oppress people, they will eventually use whatever means they have to fight back. So, the vigilant response is to predict and defuse these challenges, i.e. P20G. It's not hard to imagine that the Wikileaks saga has been "engineered" or directed/shaped to fulfill these goals. It's not as if the military-intelligence apparatus hasn't been studying the possibilities of something like Wikileaks for decades.

    I don't like the idea of the smoking gun piece of evidence, but it's interesting to conceptualize the possibility of a cache of leaked documents, or a just a single document, i.e. "How We Planned & Executed 9/11," that could be verified as authentic and finally put the lie to the entire system. Maybe we'll be getting something like that in 2012.

    We're probably all classified as asymmetrical combatants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare http://www.awg.army.mil/

    Did Bradley Manning Act Alone?
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/201...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. truthmod
    Administrator

    On the other hand, what's going on is pretty damn exciting and it doesn't seem like the government/PTB are in total control of the situation.

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    Posted 14 years ago #
  10. JohnA
    Member

    if the wikileaks affair was a false flag - it was a pretty dangerous gambit for them - because it could inspire cyberattacks against a system that is clearly vulnerable. and there is a lot for them to lose.

    information warfare is the battleground of the 21st century. it is pretty clear that information trumps blunt force in the 21st century. Even technologically backwards countries like Iran were unable to contain the information flow from handheld camera phones during their protests.

    one of the problems for empire has always been - for every man you kill another three rises in his place.

    in the information age virtually thousands - maybe millions - can rise up.

    it started with Vietnam when the carnage of that war was pumped into people's living rooms everynight. it shocked people and spawned a revolution.

    they may have avoided that problem in Iraq and Afghanistan - since they now control the MSM.

    but technology is dangerously out of control for them now. anyone who has access to a computer could start broadcasting their own independent network of ideas and freelance propoganda ...shudder... maybe even the truth

    and the state propaganda models from the 20th century are faultering also. people are media savy. not everyone. there are plenty of FoxNews fans still out there. but - enough of us ARE savy enough to see thru the manipulations and oppose it by disseminating meaningful opposition. lies can be documented and disseminated.

    it is a real problem for them. cognitive infiltration appears to be the weapon of choice. battalions of electronic wolves in sheep's clothing have been deployed - occupying and holding onto key information hubs - like pieces of real estate - cyber squatting on news forums - overwhelming undesireable ideas with an exponentially larger numbers of opposing ideas.

    have you ever visited the political message boards on Craigslist? it is a 24/7 propaganda network for parties unseen.

    we've seen it in 9/11 Truth

    but - i'm not sure even THEY know if they can hold the line on this bullshit. the wikileaks problem has the potential to overwhelm them if it is ever exposed that they are playing the game they are playing. because they may create the opposite effect - planting the idea that they are an 'occupying army' in cyberspace - protecting a ruling elite that has all but stolen everything from the common man - homes - jobs - and now freedom of speech?

    asymmetrical warfare in cyberspace? how could they EVER hold back the ocean with their pathetic little brooms if this ever REALLY turned into a REAL virtual war?

    know thy enemy.

    right now the problem is how to educate people on what is happening. people are still lining up behind one cointelpro message after another.

    the SPEED with which the tea party was invented and deployed was frightening.

    if only we had our own cyber minutemen to respond

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. truthmod
    Administrator

    Check out "Hackers Wanted" a documentary that features Adrian Lamo, famous hacker who is responsible for reporting Bradley Manning to the authorities. The film has some good insights and was narrated/produced by Kevin Spacey, but it's also got a strange pro-government bias. Sad and weird that so many of these expert hackers seem to be entranced by the idea of honorably serving the government and the corporations. I've always been a little suspect of the hackers' grasp of the big picture, because they are so focused on the details, and because not many seem to have pulled of any revolutionary, subversive hacks. They always just seem to do it "for fun" or to bring security holes to the attention of the authorities. There's even a military cyberwarfare expert in the film who says "we could own all these hackers for half the price of an F-16." I'm sure they own quite a few already.

    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5621742/Hackers_Wa...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP6IT70j_7g

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. truthmod
    Administrator

    New Rap News featuring Alex Jones impersonation:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl4NlA97GeQ

    Posted 14 years ago #

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