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Alex Jones on the Kennedy Murder: A Painful Case
By Seamus Coogan
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great article dissecting Alex Jones - a televangelist of conspiracy (14 posts)
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Thanks a bunch Mark. You are one of the few members if the 9/11 Truth Movement that show respect for the research conducted by the Kennedy assassination community.
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Great article. Alex Jones has been discredited many times over, but he will continue to sway the angry and ignorant masses. We've had many threads on the worst of AJ. My particular points of contention are his complete dismissal of the environmental crisis and his function (ironically, of course) of "dividing and conquering" the skeptic/conspiracy movement. He seems to be a John Birch Society disinformation agent, whether witting or unwitting.
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The new page by Nathan Janes has a card that links to Infowars, but it is about Building 7 -- http://pupaganda.com/originals/Wtc_7.html
I wonder if he cares about the anti-socialists message of Infowars. I would guess not -- it's too bad about the 9/11 sneakers and such at the bottom. http://www.zazzle.com/wtc_7_shoe_shoes-16782623896...
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Well, I really have to thank Mark for leading me here. Great forum.
One of the big problems is that the JFK research community haven't responded to Jones quickly enough. In much the same way they havent to Fetzer. Jim Fetzer is the worst researcher I have ever come across and I would hope he or any of his followers (thankfully he doesnt have as many as he likes to think) get the boot from here. He spoils anything he touchs.
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I think we all owe a lot to Mark here for being one of the first people to really make sense of the disinformation and misinformation early on and for also being very persistent about it.
You are in good company here if you do not like Fetzer. It is weird that he seems to be given more of a forum in most parts of the JFK community where with the 9/11 movement, as illiterate and memoryless as it tends to be, the TV Fakery nonsense was so detestable that he has pretty much been ostracized. With Simkin's JFK forum or other JFK forums, JFK people seem to accept him and feel that he is part of the debate. Most of us here feel that he is intentionally disruptive and given his educational background, is far too intelligent to believe the tripe that he spews. Another clue is that he is literally impossible to disagree with.
With JFK, I think that he is a major distraction, a disruptor and is in a pretty good position to make the JFK research community look nuts on the outside. With 9/11, he worked his way in with a relatively moderate approach (still full of disinformation) in about 2005, but after he achieved some fairly significant popularity, he began spewing, by about 2007, TV Fakery, Exotic Weaponry and "Israel did it" craziness. Many of us here believe that those "positions" are intentionally over-the-top and are really there to be diversionary in a COINTELPRO-conscious community by taking heat off of the people doing the real damage.
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With JFK, I think that he is a major distraction, a disruptor and is in a pretty good position to make the JFK research community look nuts on the outside. With 9/11, he worked his way in with a relatively moderate approach (still full of disinformation) in about 2005, but after he achieved some fairly significant popularity, he began spewing, by about 2007, TV Fakery, Exotic Weaponry and "Israel did it" craziness. Many of us here believe that those "positions" are intentionally over-the-top and are really there to be diversionary in a COINTELPRO-conscious community by taking heat off of the people doing the real damage.
I agree totally. I don't know if he is disinfo but he has an audience. Theres, a lot more bunk tolerated in the JFK research community for a number of reasons many are sacred cows. The community tends to be older. Most of the younger researchers I talk to tend to be Fetzer negative, or middle of the road. Maybe the JFK community is a little more polite. Whats scary though is that the Kook stuff coming through from 9/11 hasn't been helped by the likes of Fetzer. That guy buys into seemingly every new fad.
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i am of the OPINION that he is disinfo.
He was magna cum laude in philosophy at Princeton University in 1962. He joined the military immediately after graduating.
He wrote some papers - position pieces - one of which was titled: Information: Does It Have To Be True? - where he opines that information does not have to necessarily be TRUE to be considered INFORMATION. Here is is OPENLY making the claim to legitimize lying. IT is basically a wink and a nod to all those academic types who must have, over the years. wondered what the fuck is wrong with the man. It is basically his resume. His credentials - as a self-described advocate of disinformation.
it is my OPINION that the man is a professional liar. he has written papers on the different TYPES of disinformation. it is his area of expertize. his credentials with which he - in my OPINION - is retained to disrupt political conspiracy groups. His approach to disrupting the JFK movement is almost identical to the work he has done to discredit 9/11 Truth. He backs the most insane research - such as researchers with reputations for acting out in insane ways while presenting absurdist theories. He then accuses all his detractors of being agents of disinformation.
all attempts to reason with the man are simply ignored
he operates on both a very high level - yet seems impenetrable to simple basic reasonable requests to address FUNDAMENTAL facts and information. His papers are highly literate and introspective - yet he plays the part of the baffoon. he his brilliant - yet stupid. he is an self-proclaimed expert in disinformation - while employing almost ALL of the very same hallmarks of disinformation that he himself has defined in his papers - while simultaneously making a claim of legitimacy.
Information: Does it have to be true?
Not for Jim Fetzer. Not for what HE does for a living.
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He was magna cum laude in philosophy at Princeton University in 1962. He joined the military immediately after graduating.
He also received his masters and doctorate from IU Bloomington, which is a key intelligence-connected institution and city if you study Mae Brussell's work on the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Tom Charles Huston Plan and Jonestown.
Posted 14 years ago # -
now THAT is valuable information
thank you
i will add it to my files.
Posted 14 years ago # -
This is a truly good forum. Could I have the link for Fetzers factual deconstrction argument John A?
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Thanks Bud!
I seriously do think Fetzer is worse than Jones in many ways.
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Hey, in fairness they were only journal snippets. I really cant comment till I can see the full thing in fairness. However, what you have said does sound like Fetzers MO. But, to be fair Ill try and find it in full.
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