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[closed] Crotchshotradio creates and promotes lies (19 posts)

  1. Louie Bee (Anonymous) March 10, 2010 crotchshotradio.com

    For more than a year we here at crotch shot radio have been on a quest for transparency from the New World Order and the 9/11 truth movement. Specifically transparency from “We Are Change New York”.

    When it comes to the finances. We fight corruption no matter what or who. We have been investigating We Are Change New York’s practices with the finances since we had chapters deleted just for simply Asking Questions and Demanding Answers. (notably WAC Latino and WAC Pennsylvania)

    The members of We Are Change New York have allowed Luke Rudkowski to become a dictator and allowed him to overrule democratically voted will of the members of We Are Change. This breaks the rule in the code of conduct that this is a leaderless movement.

    The members allow this because of fear of being ostracized by the group and falsely accused of being cointelpro.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. JohnA
    Member

    i guess this raises a few questions:

    • how did these documents come into the hands of crotchshotradio?

    • how do we know the PayPal deposits shown on the statements are in fact the "We Are Change" PayPal accounts? It does not seem to explicitly say this - and - for all we know - his aunt sally from Ohio could have PayPal'd him the money.

    • in the 1960s the US Government launched smear campaigns utilizing fraudulent documents to smear antiwar activists. I hope those responsible for this announcement are prepared to go public and prove their case.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. truthmover
    Administrator

    First of all, I think Luke is an idiot. Not as much of an idiot as he was when I first met him at 19 years old and was supporting Les jamieson against Nick, John, Max, and myself when we outed Les for distributing hate literature. But still a fairly naive person, easily swayed by the celebrity of Alex Jones and allure of media attention. I don't trust him at all, and I think he's done more harm to the movement than good. Period.

    He's misused his authority on many occasions and I've heard this from a number of credible WAC members. I don't, however, think he's on anyone's payroll, or think he's intentionally working against the movement's interests. He just doesn't know any better.

    These Crotchshotradio people, on the other hand, seem like some kind of disruption campaign. WAC might not have done 9/11 truth any favors, but they do frustrate some of the politicians they confront and are very likely being actively investigated and undermined. We see here a total BS hit piece.

    There is NOTHING about these financial records which at all indicates what the authors are claiming. Period. For that reason it's totally shady. Anyone legit wouldn't make such a claim unless their evidence spoke for itself. For that reason I think it more than reasonable to assume that the Crotchshotradio people aren't acting in good faith.

    (Hey asshole, like how I changed your title?)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. Yeah Thanks I will be expecting an apology when the truth FULLY comes out. These are not all the records mind you. so stay tuned more details will come to light. These two pieces of evidence are just a taste the full records where turned over to the FBI and the State Attorney General

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  5. JohnA we are going public I am putting myself out there. Well Julian Why dont you hold off on Judgement before all the documents come out. And please use common sense and not speak purly from emotion because you will have to ask from what paypal account is he withdrawing $10,000 from if not from WACs paypal.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. I mean I have screen shots of someone Luke Deleted just for questioning him about the finances. Oh and cointelpro are the ones that start movements.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. truthmover
    Administrator

    I won't be apologizing for your incompetence at making such strong accusations without present all the evidence. That's done and has nothing to do with whether you actually present more convincing evidence in the future. I don't give a rats ass about the future of Luke, so if you've got it, present it. Don't tease us with crap that would make anyone reasonable doubt your intentions. That's idiotic and make you look like an asshole.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  8. Well Julian i think we spoke before. We met in person. I am a real truther. I have been after luke for transparency for a while now i got the records from his Ex but we have to wait for law enforcement to give us the ok to release information. I seen them all once i get the ok and document scanned. But luke is done. And we will need a real activist group free from Alex Jones and others to take care of NYC. I am not gonna fight you because I know im right and I Will stand by my word.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. truthmover
    Administrator

    And please use common sense and not speak purly from emotion because you will have to ask from what paypal account is he withdrawing $10,000 from if not from WACs paypal.

    My emotions are certainly at play here, but have little to do with my argument with your crap.

    What kind of idiotic rebuttle is that above? Total garbage. Who knows where Luke got $10,000. I wish I had $10,000 and I'm happy he's making money.

    Do you or do you not have PROOF that Luke took the money from WAC. If you do, present it immediately or risk losing all credibility, whatever you have. If you don't, you've shot your only wad, and will never have any credibility again.

    What's it going to be? I think it's going to be failure.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  10. Again I have to wait for The Attorney Generals office to give me permission. Once I get The Okay i will scan them and present it all.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. truthmover
    Administrator

    Adding to what I just wrote, as I now see that you claim that you can't reveal your info until "law enforcement give you the ok" I am still left wondering how in the world you'd be so stupid as to make the announcement before you had the information. You've just put your entire credibility on the line and left yourself open to negative speculation and attack. It makes no strategic sense.

    Here's the only thing that would assure me that you aren't a total idiot or totally shady. Explain why you made this announcement now before you could present the evidence. What purpose does that serve?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. Simple answer The shit i took from the fucking SHEEPLE at we are change NY the fact that someone asked me to back her up when asking about the finances and when I stood up at the meeting 2 years ago and asked luke about a financial report and everyone looked at me like an idiot and she stood shut and then i realized he was hiding something. I waited 2 years to be able to show this much. I am sorry I cant show much but i need to pin luke for me having to shut down We are change latino. the fact that non of those idiots didnt stand up for me while i stood up for others. I want revenge

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  13. truthmover
    Administrator

    Not an answer to my question.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  14. Yes it is. It would be if you went through what I went through.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  15. truthmover
    Administrator

    What? Come on. Now you're just acting like a kid. I asked you specifically about the logic behind your decision to announce this before you had all the evidence to present. The logic and not your motivation or feelings. You didn't answer.

    By the way, Louie, if you really are a genuine guy who just isn't very good at this, I'm sorry to lay into you so hard. But this is a if-you-can't-take-the-heat-stay-out-of-the-kitchen situation. I think you screwed up big time announcing this before you have the evidence and you are going to have to deal with the consequences.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  16. I can take it I have been taking it. The plan was to little by little release info. So we can catch Luke in a lie. And so far its working. If you read the other comments you probably read the one threating me with a lawyer. I can play you a voicemail of one of them calling my friend from Wac NJ (which is a good place to do activism in jersey city think about it) telling lies. I actually have paper work nailing Luke. I am doing the right way. You dont have to trust me. even though if you knew me you would. I just have my word.

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  17. I mean Julian How pissed where you at Les Put yourself in my shoes what would you do?

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  18. I was a devoted member i believed in the principles of the movement. if we are fighting from transparency from the government why cant we have transparency in the movement.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  19. truthmover
    Administrator

    Look, my posting above has indicated a number of times that you MIGHT be honest and that you MIGHT be trying to do the right thing. I haven't ruled it out because I have no way of knowing for sure.

    And it looks like you finally offered at least some kind of minimal explanation which I don't find remotely logical or convincing.

    But you still think appealing to frustration is a compelling response. And your playing on my sympathy by acting like you don't know full well that I've worked for transparency.

    None of it flies with me. You just aren't reading as totally honest. And here's why.

    Because if you were actually trying to do this the right way, you would have taken the time to offer more of an explanation in your original announcement. You would have included all of the details you presently have. You would have tried to build trust instead of making skeptical and intelligent people like me immediately think you are being shady.

    But perhaps you aren't, to be nice about it for a moment, mature enough to pull that off. Maybe you are young and inexperienced. Maybe you don't write much, (that seems obvious) and aren't very good at presenting information.

    Well then you find someone who is to do it for you because you are supposedly taking this very seriously. You don't go at it half assed. You don't put your ego ahead of the facts.

    And most importantly, you don't put your reputation on the line by making huge accusations before you have the facts to back them up.

    That is what you've done here. Fact: You are expecting people to trust you. You are expecting people to trust that your intentions are positive and that you actually have these other documents and that they imply what you say they imply.

    But that doesn't work, as we don't trust you. Crotchshotradio has posted some utter garbage. I don't think you guys have any idea what's best for this movement and really just seem like some conspiracy nerds who listen to too much Alex Jones, or someone like him if you prefer, or that you guys are engaged in disruption or poisoning the well, either to harm the movement or, and much more subtle, to actually bolster Luke's reputation. To drum up sympathy for him the way attacks by Nico used to drum up sympathy for Les.

    I can't say for sure. But very little about what you have done so far gives me and others reason to TRUST you.

    Posted 14 years ago #