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  1. truthmod
    Administrator

    It is interesting to me that when I look up "Alex Jones disinformation" on Google, the only results I get are of people calling him "a shill for the Zionists." Do we really live in such a deluded world, where we few people here on the TruthMove forum are some of the only people online discussing Alex Jones' disinformation regarding environmental issues and other legitimate areas?

    Let me say that again:

    ALEX JONES DISINFORMATION INFOWARS DISINFORMATION

    When I look at Alex Jones, I see a "grassroots" fascist movement that is probably being encouraged by some much larger forces. What kind of audience does Alex Jones have--hundreds of thousands, a million? I think he certainly has the power to influence a measurable segment of the population. Just like the Nazi Brownshirts, Alex Jones is helping assemble a massive, passionate, potentially violent force that has a very low ability for critical, independent thought and is very much subject to the influence and command of its revered leaders.

    Recent polls are supposedly showing that almost half the US population does not believe in man-made global warming.

    http://earth911.com/blog/2009/12/08/almost-half-of...

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM...

    What kind of contribution does Alex Jones and his reverberating influence of propaganda and brain washing make on these numbers?

    When Alex Jones hosts Lord Monckton, does his audience stop to question what interests Monckton represents? Do they wonder why such an establishment figure would come on such "radical" and "revolutionary" show? Do they think about these things? Do they know how to think? Well, regarding his staunch followers, the answer is clearly no, not on a very fundamental level.

    Infowars' tagline is "Because there's a war on for your mind." I think that they've set up this dichotomy where it's the forces of the NWO on one side versus Alex Jones on the other. The fact is that Alex Jones is fighting for your mind just as much as the establishment that he warns you against. He doesn't want you to think for yourself. He wants you to follow him.


    The deluded and irrational often have a subconscious tendency to decry their own faults in those who are rational and who don't agree with them.

    http://www.infowars.com/globalist-carbon-tax-schem...

    The global warming/climate change mythology is the greatest hoax the private International Monetary/Banking Cartel has ever tried to pull off: With the passage of the Copenhagen Climate Treaty provisions, world governance and unlimited taxes will fall into the hands of private, monopoly capitalists, while many socialists, communists, and environmentalists ignorantly support this international takeover, falsely thinking that the treaty’s many laws, regulations, and directives are socialistic, and will thus help improve our badly deteriorating environment.

    Advocates of ever bigger government have constantly mistaken fascism with all forms of socialism and communism. Is it not ironic – but sad – that our misguide socialists always end up supporting their avowed enemies – the controlling oligarchs of our world?

    Hmmm, if so many governments and the corporations who run them hadn't been stalling for so long on global warming, and weren't still stalling and watering down the proposed regulations, these arguments might have some weight. Oh, you say it is a fake debate and that they're just pretending to be against them so that we will be for them? Interesting, so they stall for decades, co-opt the entire scientific establishment, fund a grassroots environmental movement, setup an anti-global warming movement that is real but actually fake just to make us think that they're on that side, claim that global warming isn't an urgent problem--all up until this point where they can finally pass their freedom-restricting regulations that will give them more control over the population? How diabolical!

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  2. truthmover
    Administrator

    Wait? Pardon me? Did you say ALEX JONES DISINFORMATION INFOWARS DISINFORMATION? Or was that INFOWARS DISINFORMATION ALEX JONES DISINFORMATION? I'm not sure by I'm going with ALEX JONES DISINFORMATION INFOWARS DISINFORMATION.

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  3. truthmod
    Administrator

    ALEX DISINFORMATION JONES JONES DISINFOWARS ALEX PRISON PLANET DISINFORMATION LIBERTARIAN DISINFORMATION JONES ALEX DISINFO

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  4. truthmod
    Administrator

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4kWmE7CYlI

    Hosting John McManus, President of The John Birch Society
    In 5 parts

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  5. christs4sale
    Administrator

    http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.p...

    It looks like AJ is pissing off people much closer to himself politically.

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  6. truthmod
    Administrator

    We need to update our forum so that the thread title appears as the title of the page. I think this is seriously affecting our search results.

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  7. nornnxx65
    Member

    from the rigint thread- mastercrap priceless: "Apparently Jones is incapable of allowing a protest to go on where he isn't the center of attention, and in order to get that attention he is willing to undermine the effectiveness of the protest, offend potential sympathizers and generally behave like a penis with legs. It's not surprising that by the end of the event people were accusing Jones of working for the statists to discredit legitimate protesters, and a lot of people came away from the event cured of any prior attraction to Jones' particular brand of anti-government paranoia. As I've said before, Jones is his own worst enemy and he lost a lot of supporters Monday because of his boorish behavior and an attitude which was widely described as "divisive.""

    "penis with legs"- lol

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  8. christs4sale
    Administrator

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    I have just begun listening to the interview with John McManus. I would have loved to hear someone mention Western Goals and the LAPDID to Jones and McManus. Read the chapters on the John Birch Society in Never Tire of Protesting by George Seldes and in Power on the Right by William Turner for an excellent primer on the origins, intentions and the early years of the John Birch Society.

    http://www.amazon.com/Never-Tire-Protesting-George...

    http://www.amazon.com/Power-Right-William-W-Turner...

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  9. truthmod
    Administrator

    Nice shirt they're selling on infowars. I guess when it really comes down to it, all these "patriots" are really just red-blooded, gun toting, dog-eat-dog, fascist, commie-hating, *******. These ***** ****** really like their capitalism.

    "Defend Yourself. Infowars.com"

    img

    http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/sot.html

    I guess it's a takeoff on the capitalism graphic:

    img

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  10. christs4sale
    Administrator

    I thought that the capitalism graphic has the guy on the right holding a money bag. Those T-shirts are derived from one the foundational ideas of the JBS, basically to get its followers to focus on communism and socialism rather than fascism. Listen to or read McManus, Welch, Rousselot, Allen, Griffin, Oliver, Mullins, McDonald, etc. you will never hear them once mention Nazis or fascism.

    If anything, that interview shows just how pro-corporate AJ is.

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  11. M-r-Anderson
    Member

    I agree with both depictions.

    Should I instantaneously self-combust because I don't fit into either style of governance? :P /jokes

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  12. JohnA
    Member

    yes - we should all mourn the terrible terrible injustices the rich are suffering at the hands of the socialists.

    its just terrible.

    95% of all income growth during bush yrs went to top 10% of wage earners. Its just terrible. Its like holding a gun to their head - taking that last 5% away from them. We all know that they should get 100% of all wealth built in this nation -and any attempts to allow the actual workers who do all the labor in this country to benefit from their toils is pure marxist rhetoric.

    daaaaaamn skippy. now i hear they want (shudder) to FORCE insurance companies to cover sick people.

    OMG!!!

    quick - start arming your local militias!! start throwing bricks thru windows!! the government's coming and they are FORCING communism down our throats.

    and - get this - they are going to FORCE me to buy insurance!! who the hell are THEY to FORCE me to buy insurance?? i would much rather go uninsured and show up at the emergency room and pass the expenses off to everyone else... i know ... i know... that KINDA sounds like communism also - but - its NOT because of.... because.... because.... FREEDOM!!! FREEDOM!!!

    FREEDOM is the key word here. i should be FREE to be a freeloader on our society and pass my medical expenses on to hospitals - who then pass it on to YOU. And insurance companies should be FREE to make whatever rules they want - so they can buy gold plated toilets for the ownership class.

    ya know - all kidding aside - you DO have to understand the irony of crying about socialism when America has swung SO far to the right that corporatism is strangling the world economy, unregulated banks are failing crashing the world economy, people are being denied their basic needs and a handful of rich people are spitting in our faces by taking billions in bailout money and BONUSES ($16 billion for Goldman Sacks?).

    crying about 'socialism' right now is the moral equivalent of blaming a rape victim on how she dresses.

    Its just - as the comedian would say - bad comic timing.

    People like Alex Jones and Ron Paul are just WHORES and PIMPS of corporate fascism - and - i hope they

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  13. JohnA
    Member

    ...know what side of history they may end up on.

    socialism? i'm not so worried about socialism.

    full-blown right-wing militia-backed fascism? that now seems like a distinct possibility and a bigger threat to me.

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  14. M-r-Anderson
    Member

    Mmmmk then. :)

    Not that I disagree with your assessment of Capitalism but isn't Socialism, like all other isms regarding governance, a form of control that we shouldn't accept?

    My agreement about capitalism and socialism being equivalent to having a gun to your head is that there has to be historical references, not current ones that back up that notion of the gun to the head.

    I'm not well-schooled in the history of the isms but surely there are well documented examples of all isms to demonstrate that we shouldn't necessarily say the lesser of two evils isn't still evil.

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  15. JohnA
    Member

    isms aren't evil. only people are evil.

    socialism. communism. capitalism. these are just broad economic strokes on a canvas. the truth is that PEOPLE decide just how equitable and fair their society is. only PEOPLE do evil things.

    i am not against capitalism. i am against unchecked, unregulated, free-market, corporations-run-amuk-crushing everything in their way capitalism. i am against corporatism. and i have equal disdain for those who claim that 'capitalism is evil' - as i do for those who claim 'socialism is evil.' it is a decidely unsophosticated childish polarized interpretation of a worldview.

    the systems are not the problem. PEOPLE are the problem. Power hungry greedy people are the problem. please GET that.

    but lets get real here

    if the world's #1 superpower had the world in a socialistic stranglehold - where socialism was running amuck - and entire economies were crumbling and 1/3 of the world was starving and another 1/3 was at close-to-starvation levels - (as they are now) - i might join you in your condemnation of socialism.

    unfortunately - that is not the reality of the world we live in. is it?

    The REALITY of the world we live in is that capitalism won the cold war and is the prodiminant economic force in the world.

    look around you. do you like how things are? do you like how things turned out?

    well - you need to ask yourself - what makes more sense? moving further to the right? or moving more to the left - to more CENTRIST economic policies that BALANCES the BEST of both ideas?

    what exactly is Alex Jones afraid of?

    you have to understand this last point. Alex Jones is primarily a little girl. and when he gets all 'dolled up' in his pretty pink dresses - and cries like the little bitch that he is about socialism - he essentially fails to understand the REALITY of his own existence. he is a DICK. and NO amount of frills and prety lace things are going to cover that up.

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  16. truthmod
    Administrator

    I am against capitalism and for socialism, as I define them in this manner:

    Capitalism--the driving motivation is greed.

    Socialism--the driving motivation is compassion.

    You can argue about how either system has been implemented historically, but any tyrant or ruling class can call their system anything they want. The Nazi's were the "National Socialist German Workers' Party." If that makes you think that socialism is nazism or that it is "evil," you're pretty damn ignorant.

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  17. mark
    Member

    The economic collapse has many causes, the biggest is the fact we've reached the limits to exponential growth on a round, and therefore finite planet. Good luck getting the right wing libertarians and racists and sons-of-birchers to acknowledge this, although the liberal Democrats are not much more willing to recognize this either.

    A few references:

    http://www.oilempire.us/peak-money.html

    http://www.steadystate.org

    http://www.chrismartenson.com/crashcourse

    http://www.albartlett.org/presentations/arithmetic...


    "In the Soviet Union, government controls industry. In the United States, industry controls government. That is the principal structural difference between the two great oligarchies of our time.

    "
Industrialism, whether of the capitalist or socialist coloration, is the basic tyrant of the modern age. -- Edward Abbey


    "Where do we go from here?"

    Martin Luther King's last, and most radical, Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) presidential address

    I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here," that we honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty million poor people here. And one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. You see, my friends, when you deal with this, you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron ore?" You begin to ask the question, "Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that is two-thirds water?" These are questions that must be asked.

    Now, don't think that you have me in a "bind" today. I'm not talking about communism.

    What I'm saying to you this morning is that communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social, and the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both. Now, when I say question the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problems of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together.

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  18. Mr-Anderson
    Member

    Good points raised by all. :P

    John A, I agree wholeheartedly. My criticism isn't reserved solely for socialism though..

    Wherever there is a political system, there will be greed, power-struggles and death. Some more than others, some less.

    Evidently there will be the rulers and the ruled.

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  19. This forum rocks thank god its kinda like a non kook utopia generally as far as Jones is concerned.

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  20. truthmod
    Administrator

    Thanks, LeeHarvey. We pride ourselves on maintaining an evolving and rational approach on this site. It hasn't made us very popular in the 9/11 TM. My conclusion is that most reasonable people within the conspiracy research/activist community are eventually forced into a very small and marginal community or frustrated so thoroughly that that they give up completely.

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  21. Victronix
    Member

    yes - we should all mourn the terrible terrible injustices the rich are suffering at the hands of the socialists. its just terrible.

    Good one John. The damn socialists are going to ruin everything for chrissakes! Stop them before it's too late!

    Just recently there was a guy here who was driving on the highway and the CHP tried to pull him over . . . he stopped the car and shot at them. They shot back but he was wearing body armor, so he survived. But his motive was because the liberals are destroying the country . . . they're ramming through their whole agenda in congress and ruining everything . . .

    I can't believe that t-shirt is on Alex Jones. That's a good find. It's an opportunity to educate people on "socialism" with a critique, if anyone has the time. And it shows the idiocy of it . . .

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  22. truthmod
    Administrator

    Alex Jones' hosted Steven W. Mosher to "expose the overpopulation myth"

    http://www.infowars.com/video-acclaimed-author-exp...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_W._Mosher

    Steven W. Mosher is a social scientist and writer who publishes books and essays on matters dealing with China and population control. He speaks both Mandarin and Cantonese. He is the president of Virginia-based Population Research Institute, a pro-life organization that argues that overpopulation is a myth. The Institute has connections to Human Life International (both of which were started by Father Paul Marx). Mosher is father to nine children[1] and author of numerous non-fiction books such as "Broken Earth: The Rural Chinese" (1983), A Mother's Ordeal, and Hegemon.

    ...

    According to the Los Angeles Times, Mosher successfully lobbied the George W. Bush administration to withhold $34 to $40 million per year for seven years from the U.N. Population Fund, the largest international donor to family planning programs. The decreased contraceptive services fueled continued global population growth.[9]

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. mark
    Member

    Bizarre.

    George W. Bush's grandfather, Senator Prescott Bush, was a co-founder of Planned Parenthood. The Bush family was pro-family planning until 1980.

    Pope John Paul I was also planning to change Vatican policy on contraception. Our population was about four billion then. Read David Yallop, "In God's Name" for details.

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  24. truthmod
    Administrator

    Disinformation Jones, Alex. Alex "Disinformation" Jones. Disinfowars Jones Alex.

    Alex Jones doesn't believe in evolution. He's a Christian who believes in intelligent design. He equates evolution with Social Darwinism. See video below where he explains this for himself.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1flvGNxZ5Sg

    The libertarian philosophy is that the government is out to control your freedom. That's true and it is something to be concerned about, but it doesn't mean that global warming and overpopulation are made up out of thin air for the elites to control the masses. These people don't understand that they live in an interconnected world. Notice the way they scorn "gaia worship."


    The Bush family probably had to fall in line with the evangelical pro-life wing of the republican party. Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood are linked to eugenics thinking. This is perfect fodder for Alex Jones and his ilk to attack abortion, birth control and overpopulation information.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

    As part of her efforts to promote birth control, Sanger found common cause with proponents of eugenics, believing that they both sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit."[83] Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aims to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing reproduction by those considered unfit. Sanger's eugenic policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the profoundly retarded.[84][85] In her book The Pivot of Civilization, she advocated coercion to prevent the "undeniably feeble-minded" from procreating.[86] Although Sanger supported negative eugenics, she asserted that eugenics alone was not sufficient, and that birth control was essential to achieve her goals.[87][88][89]

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. mark
    Member

    Fun fact: world population of humans has increased almost a billion since 9/11. What goes up eventually comes down.

    Unfortunately, overpopulation isn't something that really has a "solution." Few want to volunteer to help reduce the population. The people are already here. Empowering women lowers birth rates but the overpopulation is here and there might not be much of a biosphere left a couple decades from now at the rate we're going.


    ... a problem calls for a solution; the only question is whether a solution can be found and made to work and, once this is done, the problem is solved.

    A predicament, by contrast, has no solution. Faced with a predicament, people come up with responses. Those responses may succeed, they may fail, or they may fall somewhere in between, but none of them "solves" the predicament, in the sense that none of them makes it go away.

    -- John Michael Greer, "The Long Descent"

    "I know that Americans are very much driven to hyperbole, always willing to put an end to something certifiably unstoppable (war, AIDS, cancer, poverty, global warming), usually by making a small charitable donation, by wearing a colorful plastic bracelet, or by going for a walk, a run, or a bicycle ride. Below the charming, childlike confidence and optimism of such ventures lurks a culturally ingrained inability to grasp something basic: not all problems are solvable."

    -- Dmitry Orlov, Thriving in the Age of Collapse

    Posted 11 years ago #

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