http://www.wearechange.org/91109/
They list Pentacon in the documentary section. We'll see who gets added to the presenter list.
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WeAreChange Conference in NY for the anniversery (23 posts)
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I think that these are two separate events, but that is just my guess from reading the two pages.
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You know, the Facebook page looks like there is enough overlap for it to be the same event. The interesting thing is that there is no mention of NYCCAN or Hicks and WeAreChange is mentioned everywhere on the Facebook page. It is almost as if We Are Change took over the whole event.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110927932550...
One thing I notice when going through the invite lists is how integrated pop-culture, judging by the pictures, is with this portion of the movement. It is definitely not the crazy old people scenerio around Les or the scholarly researchers at COPA. For someone like me who does not really watch TV or follow that much pop-culture, the shock is probably greater.
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Post by JohnA moved to this thread.
(We had this thread going in the Admin forum trying to figure out if this represents a split with Les and Sander.)
... from the WAC website we see that Dr. Bill Deagle is being promoted for the 2009 9/11 anniversary event.
In Dr Deagle's own words:
To foregive means we need to pray for George Soros, who is behind the Blackstone Group and 9/11, ...
brilliant stuff
The Lord said: You’re supposed to contact these people here at Human Life International. So I speak to God, literally, and he tells me.
So we arranged tickets. We go and visit our friends in Austria, and we go over to Zurich. And I told them what I was told, you know -- literally told -- to tell them about was the cybernetic super-soldier program, human genetic engineering, and the chimeric monstrosities they’re making in underground facilities. And to speak against abortion and euthanasia, and selective abortions which are... 93% of the abortions on Earth are female.
oooooookaaaaay......
And I was taken in 1988 -- one of my very first visions -- I was taken up high above Saudi Arabia, in the spirit, and I actually looked down. And I looked and I could see the carrier groups all assembling.
And this was 1988, twenty years ago. And I looked down, and the angel told me, he says: Watch this place. Because this is where it will all start -- the Strait of Hormuz.
wow. what a cool thing it is that WAC managed to snag this nutbag for their 9/11 event!
But the people behind the American government, the Satanic Luciferian Reptilians, they’re absolutely determined to bring this agenda toward a final culmination, a thermonuclear war. OK? They’re determined to do it.
ah. the reptilians!! i knew it!! i thought it might be the mammals screwing up this planet - but it was the reptiles after all!
ok - lets get serious here.
i assume anyone with an ounce of common sense and decency would understand that a man like Dr Deagle will bring embarassment and shame to the 9/11 Truth movement.
Right Luke?
But i guess this is no different from UFO advocate and ESP 'healer' Dr Edgar Mitchell being included as a commissioner in the 9/11 ballot initiative. Right? And i guess this is no different than including Judy Wood or Webster Tarpley at 9/11 anniversary events. right? And this is no different from Sander Hicks including Dr Fetzer at his 'coffee house' 9/11 truth space beams gatherings - featuring Nico Haupt and company. I guess this is no different from Luke defending Les for his distribution of the magazine Criminal Politics. right?
This is not the 'big tent' approach. This is the 'clown car' approach where these organizers manager to - intentionally - year after year - pull clown after clown after clown from their Ford Pintos at the 9/11 circus event.
You're doing a heck of a job Luke. as soon as you are done connecting the satanic lucifarian reptiles to 9/11 you can move on to connecting Area 51 and BigFoot to the holocaust. you should be proud of what you represent.
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From Siegel to Deagle
Deagle is a frequent guest of Alex Jones btw.
In a discussion with Steven Jones, he claims that the planes were "swapped." See here:
In fact, what I was told from my contacts inside the U.S. Air Force, Air Force Academy and so on, is those were probably not United Airlines jets but they were probably E-10s that were flown in there. That's what they told me. That err In fact, I knew this from being a civil aviation examiner[10] that all jet aircraft, commercial jet aircraft, worldwide, have been capable of being remotely taken over control for over thirty years.
In this discussion, he uses the term "nano particles" and introduces the idea of mini-nukes to explain at least part of the collapse of the WTC. Go here to watch the whole thing:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/9590
Both Victronix's and Arabesque's comments are a worthwhile read as well.
SLC had the following article posted:
http://www.thecoast.ca/halifax/the-prophet-in-clay...
I think that it is the local paper where Deagle lives and I think it is trying to make him look ridiculous, but from what I have seen elsewhere, I do not think that the real Deagle is far off.
Another thing I notice about Deagle is that a lot of his information seems to come from an unnamed source or contact and we have to just trust him.
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amazing.
where do they find these people?
is there a CIA run clown school somewhere in Kentucky that recruits people from Yale and Harvard and turns them into government paid national disgraces?
"your job Dr. Deagle is to publicly claim that Reptiles control america."
"your job Morgan Reynolds is to go on TV and claim that the planes on 9/11 were cartoons."
"your job Dr Fetzer is to claim that space beams brought down the towers."
i would really truly hate to be the manager who is responsible for handing out the little red noses to these clowns - and demanding that they publicly disgrace themselves in front of the world. what a shit job.
what do they tell your kids? "your daddy makes a disgrace and mockery out of national tragedies?"
damn. life is truly stranger than fiction. Does the CIA have an Abbott and Costello wing to their headquarters in DC? do they keep cream pies and seltzer water in their training rooms?
you have a bright future ahead of you Mr. Luke. a BRIGHT future. one day you may get promoted and will be able to move out of LOCAL politics and disgrace yourself on a NATIONAL level.
bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
i really truly wish sometimes that i had a sock filled with horse manure.
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OK, it's official. This event is different than the Sander and Les event. They had a falling out with Luke and so the "Real Change" conference is now an alternative to the other 'big tent' event.
And a bit of credit may be due to Luke that I haven't been able to give him in the past. Of course he's working with others. They got rid of Deagle and separated themselves from the Les event. Good choices.
This may squash the Les event altogether or at least draw most people away. I can only hope.
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I want to applaud Luke and WAC for being responsive to this issue. I'm not sure how Deagle ended up on their list of speakers in the first place - and i would long LONG AND HARD at whoever was responsible for contacting him and getting him on the program - but, maybe Luke is just finding out now what we found out years ago: there are people whose actions must be monitored and managed.
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Forgive my ignorance but why is Steve Alten being invited?
Is there 2 events? O-o?
http://changeandtransparency.blogspot.com/
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http://www.wearechange.org/91109/
Confusing, geez.
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That was just announced today and the whole thing is one hot mess. Yes there are two events and while I have been critical of WAC and Luke in the past, their event is by FAR the more reputable of the two. The Transparency event is completely awful. If you want me to explain way it will take me a minute to collect my thoughts. But I'll certainly have a lot to say between now and then.
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Aye Carumba..
Only if you want to :)
I can spot a few odd choices - CIT & I've heard Kevin Barret's name being thrown around as iffy.
Come 9/11/2011 - It's going to be a madhouse, circus and freakshow as Cointelpro grinds down legtimate research and questioning with quacks, once respected academics breaking down and claiming this and that & endless attacks on individuals.
Still making them act like this is showing their hand.
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The We Demand Transparency is the Sander Hicks show now. So we get a choice between the Luke show or the Sander show. Wonderful. I will give Luke credit in getting rid of Deagle, who is a regular guest on Alex Jones. CIT and Barrett are clearly there to badjacket the We Demand Transparency conference. I think that I will attend the We Demand Transparency conference with camera and possibly video camera to try to document some of it. Unfortunately, with a few exceptions, I am not very interested in most of the speakers presenting at the conference. I guess that I will just have to tolerate it. Maybe some interesting people will be in attendance.
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The latest update:
http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5643
Cindy Sheehan
Donna Marsh O'Connor
Steve Alten
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The creature described in The Loch seems to be the real thing. Ground-Breaking events have blown the lid off all Loch Ness Monster theories and the scientific premise in The Loch is proving true. Highland authorities want this 1500 year legend to remain unsolved for another 1500 years and are blocking our attempts to unlock the truth.
Steve Alten
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Cindy Sheehan has a facebook page that she posts on daily. Someone could reach her there.
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I will try.
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Steve Alten said that John A?! Oh where do we find these people ^_^
I thought he was getting on the 9/11 bandwagon to sell his book but if that's what he has commented on (above) then ------ where can we find the straight, honest, stable people.
As said above Luke has the most appealing conference and I would also say that I'm pretty excited about Sydney's 9/11 Conference. http://www.thehardevidence.com.
I'll be going to that. Richard Gage, Steven Jones, Cosmos (Not that savvy on but I'm aware he's the founder of TruthAction etc.. awesome stuff). And many others. Win!
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you can find that quote on his website - on the subpage for his book "The Loch"
this guy is not a credible journalist. in fact - he is not a journalist at all. he writes fiction. he specializes in fantasy pseudo-science-fiction. and he has a history of intentionally attempting to blur the lines between fact and fiction.
come on - does anyone really relieve that HE really believes that the Lochness Monster is real?
i don't. i just think that he has a history of 'believing' whatever is most expedient for him to market his books.
now - i cannot tell you what is in this man's heart and whether he has experienced a true epiphany on the subject of 9/11 Truth. But, unfortunately, his claims from the past come with too much baggage to make his current book a credible journalistic statement.
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http://www.wearechange.org/91107/
This one is worth looking at.Posted 15 years ago # -
Not a surprise that the "hard evidence" conference homepage focuses only on the claim for explosives, and not means, motive, opportunity, the warnings or the war games. It is flashy, and the media is happy to have that sort of focus from the truth movement, instead of claims that put the perpetrators on the defensive.
Initially, and to the credit of its first generation of leadership, the truth in "9/11 Truth" referred to its absence from the official record, and the need for an independent accounting. (A recent echo of this is heard in the title of 9/11: Press for Truth.) Now, it means the Revealed Truths of the vying catechisms of "Inside Job": almost exclusively demolition, missiles and TV fakery. So it isn't enough anymore to say the Official Story is a lie, though it is, since the popular unofficial stories are as well. And perhaps told by the same storyteller. -- Jeff Wells, "Grassroots Wisdom" Rigorous Intuition blog, 2007-09-14 http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/09/grassroots-wisd...
I have a legal case that will convict Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, General Myers, right now in court based upon evidence that is not scientific in nature ... These discussions of what possibly induced that [collapse of the towers] is a major psychological operations campaign designed to keep the American people from looking at the evidence of guilt. -- Michael Ruppert, February 14, 2005, interview on KZYX, "The Party’s Over"
The case of 9/11, now being tried in our metaphorical court of the corporate media and public perception, leaves no doubt as to who could produce more expert witness testimony or present them in the most impressive manner. ... It is something else to analyze the temperature at which steel is weakened and determining whether or not an unproven amount of burning jet fuel, in unspecified concentrations and unknown locations could have weakened steel supports in the World Trade Center to the point where an unspecified amount of weight might cause them to buckle. -- Michael Ruppert, Crossing the Rubicon: the Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil, pp. 13-14
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the media is happy to have that sort of focus from the truth movement
Your opinion, and a tiresome one at that.
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Your opinion, and a tiresome one at that.
Mark,
We know how you feel about over-emphasis on the physical evidence. I think most here understand where you are coming from and agree to a certain extent. But that's a point. To an extent and not an extreme.
In this case, you know full well that those organizing this event do not share your views on this. And I think it's fair to say that they wont be changing their minds. Does that mean that we should all burn out and abandon the movement? Of course not. Could you be a bit more sensitive to those who disagree with your position? In my opinion, it might be appropriate at times for the sake of actually getting their attention. Not that I'm always so great at it.
In this case, my position is that I'm thrilled that Luke and Justin are organizing an event which at present includes no overt disinformation or notably disruptive influences. Now I could argue that maybe I'm setting the bar low. And I wouldn't argue with you that you should do that. We need people to remind us that certain evidence, while being potentially relevant, is most often used to undermine the movement.
I'm not thrilled about the site or the WAC pages it links to. But really this event is about who is speaking and what they will talk about. And based on what we see so far I think we could appreciate the relative difference between this year's event and past one's. And certainly the difference between this one and the other.
On the other hand, leaning a bit back toward your view, I'm a bit concerned about who else might be invited to speak and what will be talked about. We'll see. I'm going to enjoy this moment of relative calm, hoping we don't end up with a storm.
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I admit that I am not one for focusing on the physical evidence, but one aspect of the WAC conference that I believe does qualify as disinformation and will be all over the place at the event is the AJ/anti-NWO/JBS language and political perspectives that have been accepted as a given by that portion of the movement. The Sander event, although this might be one of the only good things about it, will be relatively free of that nonsense. The Sander event could spark some interesting interactions as well.
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