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Gaffney: Key Evidence about Hani Hanjour Suppressed (12 posts)

1. JohnA
   Member

   victronix01 posted this over on TruthAction - and i thought it was worth reposting here since i found some 'stuff' worth reporting:

   from an email:

   We all know Hani Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna, let alone a Boeing. Therefore he wasn't the pilot that did aerodynamic hijinks to crash into just the right spot of the Pentagon; therefore there was no pilot but autopilot b/c if there were a competent pilot to name even as a patsy he would have been named. Hanjour did manage to obtain some off-brand pilot license but he was kicked out of many schools for incompetence. The key data is that after wretchedly failing his pilot recertification on a Cessna a few weeks before 9/11 -- a failure that the FBI suppresses -- Hani retakes the test a few days later and passes with an excellent review! The instructors who failed him were not called by the 9/11 Commisson but the one who passed him a few days later was called, Eddy Shalev, who then disappears from sight. The company Eddy worked for is out of business (I would like to know when it came into existence), and Eddy is nowhere to be found. Eddy passed Hani with flying colours. According to the article quoting recently released documents:

   But the shocker is the revelation that Eddie Shalev is an Israeli and served in the Israeli army. The file states that “Mr. Shalev served in the Israeli Defense Forces in a paratroop regiment. He was a jumpmaster on a Boeing C-130. Mr. Shalev moved to the Gaithersburg area in April 2001 and was sponsored for employment by Congressional Air Charters...[which] has subsequently gone out of business.”

   See:

   How the FBI and 9/11 Commission Suppressed Key Evidence about Hani Hanjour, alleged hijack pilot of AAL 77 http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22999.... By Mark H. Gaffney

   Posted 15 years ago #
2. JohnA
   Member

   what i found:

   Shalev's full name is Eddy Guigui Shalev - and he appears to still be doing business out of the Maryland area.

   source: http://www2.pilot-flight-instruction.com/login/pro...

   here's another interesting fact. He currently is involved in a lawsuit:

   Plaintiffs: Eddy Guigui Shalev and Meryl A. Kessler Defendants: Alberto R. Gonzales, Michael Chertoff, Emilio T. Gonzalez, Rebort S. Mueller, III, Office of General Counsel and Rod J. Rosenstein

   some of those names may ring a bell.

   Source: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-mddce/case_...

   This is a "petition for writ of mandamus."

   an example of this type of legal maneuver:

   Generally, such a petition for a mandamus order is made to compel a judicial or government officer to perform a duty owed to the petitioner. For example, in Massachusetts, each year the commonwealth's attorney general and each district attorney must make available to the public a report on wiretaps and other interceptions of oral communications conducted by law enforcement officers. If the report is not made available, any person may compel its production by filing an action for mandamus (Mass. Gen. Laws Ann. ch. 272, § 99 [West 1996]). If successful, a court would issue an order directing the attorney general and district attorneys to produce the information.

   Since much of the 9/11 Commission's investigation into Shalev remains restricted/classified - one can speculate that this writ seeks to declassify their investigation. but this is just a guess.

   Equally interesting is Shavel's co-plaintiff - Meryl A. Kessler, co-author of the book: Third World Security in the Post-Cold War Era. She is a Former Research Fellow, International Security Program, 1988-1990 Harvard University. She appears also to have written extensively about the USSR.

   Question: If Shavel is just some hapless flight instructor in Maryland - what is he doing hooking up with Kessler in a lawsuit against the Department of Homeland Security?

   i am having a hard time marrying these two together. an unlucky random flight instructor who certified a 9/11 terrorist - and a heavyweight political analyst?

   interesting stuff.

   Posted 15 years ago #
3. thatsmystory
   Member

   If 9/11 was an "inside job" then why were the plotters unable to either find four qualified pilots or at least have convincing paper trails which indicated the pilots were capable of piloting the planes? It's not like one good review was going to make people forget the bad reviews by other flight trainers.

   It's rather difficult to forget the strange choice of targeting. Skilled or unskilled, hitting that section of the Pentagon is hard to understand.

   The MO of the 9/11 Commission is hard to understand as well. If they wanted to cover something up all they had to do was claim national security interests. Does it make sense to name someone involved in setting up the 9/11 narrative before the attacks (which appears to be Gaffney's theory)?

   Posted 15 years ago #
4. JohnA
   Member

   If 9/11 was an "inside job" then why were the plotters unable to either find four qualified pilots or at least have convincing paper trails which indicated the pilots were capable of piloting the planes?

   well - i never said '9/11 was an inside job.' never did like that phrase. what i do say is that we do not yet have an accurate accounting of exactly HOW the US experienced the most massive national security breakdown in its history - resulting in 3000 dead. that's all i advocate for: answers. lets be clear about that. we are still allowed to ask questions - aren't we?

   we are allowed to clarify the historical record - aren't we?

   but - for the sake of debate - i will accept your question as hypothetical.

   its probably not hard to find 4 qualified pilots (as you frame it). but it might be a tad more difficult finding 4 pilots willing to participate in a hijacking and suicide attack. although there are those who want to claim that the planes were not hijacked - and the victim's phone calls were faked - and remote controls were used to guide the planes - these theories are a little too exotic for my tastes and not supported by the evidence available to us. so - IMHO - a hijacking and suicide attack did indeed take place. try placing an advertisement on Craigslist for THAT job!

   why didn't they create a convincing paper trail? well - that is exactly what Gaffney alleges they were attempting to do. i myself am agnostic on the issue. why didn't the commission cover it all up claiming national security? well - the details of the Shalev case are in fact NOT publicly available for that very reason. look it up.

   Posted 15 years ago #
5. thatsmystory
   Member

   well - i never said '9/11 was an inside job.' never did like that phrase. what i do say is that we do not yet have an accurate accounting of exactly HOW the US experienced the most massive national security breakdown in its history - resulting in 3000 dead. that's all i advocate for: answers. lets be clear about that. we are still allowed to ask questions - aren't we?

   we are allowed to clarify the historical record - aren't we?

   IMO, the process of seeking answers requires one to evaluate claims by all parties. All criticism does not derive from the same motive. For example, people on the left and right criticize Obama. Generally speaking, people on the left do so because Obama has failed to uphold his campaign promises. People on the right are upset because they apparently believe Obama is a socialist. So my questioning of Gaffney's account isn't intended to shore up the 9/11 Commission report. I'm trying to understand how this account fits the MO. Since everything about 9/11 is confusing I tend to post nothing but questions.

   I find discussion of the MO extremely important because (I like to think) understanding the MO would put all the evidence in a proper context. Most of my questions relate to confusion about the MO of the attacks.

   Posted 15 years ago #
6. JohnA
   Member

   well that makes sense. and i have no problem with speculative questions.

   but i do also believe that there is a point (not in your particular case - just in general) where speculating about MO and theoretical scenarios becomes counter productive and gives ammunition to our critics who seek to summarily dismiss us as a bunch of 'conspiracy theorist' hobbyists.

   personally - i prefer to focus on more constructive avenues that are designed to educate the public on what we know - not theories about what we don't know. i would rather stimulate people into demanding answers - not inventing them.

   i may not yet know what the truth is. but i know what a lie is.

   people can try to disrupt us with crazy Pentagon missing-plane lasers from Mars theories - but as long as we keep our eye on the ball and focus on known contradictions and lies we have been told - no one can fault us.

   BTW - i have a couple of problems with Gaffney's report. he seems to be trying to make political hay out of the fact that the flight instructor was in the Israeli military. well many many many flight instructors have formal military training. it is the natural progression for many members of the airforce (domestic and abroad) to serve their time - gain valuable skills - and then go into business or get a job in the private sector.

   lets face it - a lot of people hear the word 'Israel' and see red - and i think Gaffney is taking advantage of that fact. in and of itself it proves nothing.

   it is in fact strange that Shalev is suing Chertoff, Mueller, Gonzalez, etc etc. it doesn't exactly support Gaffney's assumptions.

   Posted 15 years ago #
7. JohnA
   Member

   From Victrionix on TruthAction:

   At least one person is still doing research into the Pentagon attack that isn't about "what" -- Gaffney discovered that the flight instructor who passed Hanjour came into the US in from Israel in April of 2001, was hosted by what appears to be a shell company, now gone, and then he disappeared after his 9/11 Commission testimony.

   I'm a little confused by this comment. Not only did this flight instructor NOT disappear - he currently has an active lawsuit against Alberto R. Gonzales, Michael Chertoff, Emilio T. Gonzalez, Rebort S. Mueller, III, Office of General Counsel and Rod J. Rosenstein.

   additionally - I have found a way to contact him. I have sent him an email and will let you know if he responds.

   if this person has NOT disappeared - and has a lawsuit outstanding - shouldn't we reevaluate Gaffney's claims?

   Posted 15 years ago #
8. mark
   Member

   An author who has promoted the "nukes took down towers" claim is not one I consider to be reliable.

   It's yet another example of WHY is more important than HOW.

   Posted 15 years ago #
9. christs4sale
   Administrator

   Mark,

   You are saying Gaffney said that? Do you have a source?

   Posted 15 years ago #
10. christs4sale
    Administrator

    You are right. Found this on Amazon with one of his book reviews:

    Here it is 2006 and Peter Hounam's book will not go away. It's just as scary today as when written -- perhaps more so in light of breaking news about 911.

    We knew about the seismic spike associated with the WTC collapse on September 11, 2001. Well, as it happens there is also evidence of an EMP, and elevated tritium. The University of California found elevated tritium at ground zero 2 days after the event. And more recently we've learned about a sharp spike in cancers among 911 responders -- the sort of cancers caused by ionizing radiation.

    Last year a Finnish military expert put it all together and argued that mini nukes were planted in the basement of the WTC. The question is now being asked - and it makes Hounam's 1995 book about red mercury, miniature nukes, the end of apartheid and pure fusion more timely than ever.

    http://www.amazon.com/review/RH8VSXTKJBKPE

    Posted 15 years ago #
11. mark
    Member

    note: tritium is used in some emergency exit signs, so if there were those models in the WTC it is not a surprise that some would be part of the contaminated rubble pile. There were many toxins released (and created) by the collapse and fire, so the cancers and other health impacts could have multiple causes.

    I liked Mr. Gaffney's book about Mordechai Vanunu (I read it before 9/11) but the interview I heard last year (on our local NPR affiliate) about his mystery plane book was not convincing - even with a relatively sympathetic interviewer he was unable to articulate a coherent counter-claim to the official story. More evidence that WHY 9/11 was enabled is more important than HOW it was done.

    Here's one link ...

    ---

    http://www.amazon.com/review/RH8VSXTKJBKPE

    By Mark H. Gaffney

    excerpt:

    We knew about the seismic spike associated with the WTC collapse on September 11, 2001. Well, as it happens there is also evidence of an EMP, and elevated tritium. The University of California found elevated tritium at ground zero 2 days after the event. And more recently we've learned about a sharp spike in cancers among 911 responders -- the sort of cancers caused by ionizing radiation.

    Last year a Finnish military expert put it all together and argued that mini nukes were planted in the basement of the WTC.

    Posted 15 years ago #
12. JohnA
    Member

    (head explodes)

    Posted 15 years ago #

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