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Mark Gaffney? "The 9/11 Mystery Plane"? (8 posts)

  1. truthmod
    Administrator

    http://the911mysteryplane.com/

    This guy wrote a whole book about the "mystery plane" flying over the Pentagon? Foreword by DRG.

    Is this a legitimate work or a distraction?

    Gaffney's other book:

    Gnostic Secrets of the Naassenes
    http://www.gnosticsecrets.com/

    Related thread:

    Was "E-4B" posing as "hijacked" plane?
    http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4602&...

    Posted 15 years ago #
  2. nornnxx65
    Member

    Mark Gaffney prominently promoted the hijacker names not on manifests "misinformation" in this article:

    Was 9/11 an Inside Job? By Mark H. Gaffney http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20...

    "All of which is very strange because the manifests later released by the airlines do not include the names of any of the alleged hijackers. Nor has this discrepancy ever been explained."

    While fax copies of passenger manifests that were allegedly presented at the Moussaoui trial and first appear on the web thru 911Myths shouldn't be taken as "proof" that the hijacker names were on the manifests, it's not correct to say "Nor has this discrepancy ever been explained."

    Passenger Lists Victims Lists, Passenger Manifests, and the Alleged Hijackers http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passen...

    Also, is Gaffney a 9/11 mini-nukes true believer? Anyone heard of "evidence of an EMP", other than from Deagle, Wood, Fetzer, etc.?

    http://www.amazon.com/review/RH8VSXTKJBKPE/ref=cm_... Scary and prophetic, November 14, 2006 By Mark H. Gaffney Here it is 2006 and Peter Hounam's book will not go away. It's just as scary today as when written -- perhaps more so in light of breaking news about 911.

    We knew about the seismic spike associated with the WTC collapse on September 11, 2001. Well, as it happens there is also evidence of an EMP, and elevated tritium. The University of California found elevated tritium at ground zero 2 days after the event. And more recently we've learned about a sharp spike in cancers among 911 responders -- the sort of cancers caused by ionizing radiation.

    Last year a Finnish military expert put it all together and argued that mini nukes were planted in the basement of the WTC. The question is now being asked - and it makes Hounam's 1995 book about red mercury, miniature nukes, the end of apartheid and pure fusion more timely than ever.

    It's time to go back and have a fresh look at Hounam's research. Did the South Africans achieve a breakthrough in the nuclear field? I predict a revival of interest. Thanks to Hounam's dogged work the story hasn't been TOTALLY swept under the rug. This book is highly disturbing and suggests we are not out of the nuclear woods -- not by a long shot.

    Hounam's book deserved to be a best seller -- and in a wiser world it surely would have.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  3. Victronix
    Member

    That comment was from 2006 and I haven't seen any other promotion or support of mini-nukes. His Mystery Plane stuff is generally pretty good -- the passenger manifest issue is repeated by many, so I see that as a relatively small thing.

    His work in the 80s was apparently the study of the Israeli nuclear weapons program and Mordechai Vanunu, and he describes himself as a "researcher, writer, poet, environmentalist, peace activist, and organic gardener" . . . seems like a reasonable and creative guy, even as he seems to fall for a few things.

    http://www.gnosticsecrets.com/pages/bio.htm

    I recommend you read the Mystery Plane articles.

    http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/07/why-did-w...

    Even CNN covered the issue of that plane.

    He may be "out there", I don't know, but the Mystery Plane papers seemed pretty thorough.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  4. Arabesque
    Member

    He's a good researcher. And by the way the mystery plane never flew "over" the Pentagon. It flew by the White House and many confused this plane with Flight 77. This wasn't just some random plane either, it was a state of the art aircraft nicknamed "doomsday" considered to be an "alternate" pentagon in the sky.

    And he admitted to me in email correspondence he was mistaken about the hijacker names (the infamous "no hijacker names" on the flight manifests claim see here: http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/08/911-misin...), but he doubts the authenticity of the "official" documents as do many others.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  5. nornnxx65
    Member

    Arabesque: "He's a good researcher."

    So is DRG. Is this true? "Well, as it happens there is also evidence of an EMP,"

    I'm an idiot; and I wouldn't reference this guy with a 10' pole:

    "Last year a Finnish military expert put it all together and argued that mini nukes were planted in the basement of the WTC."

    I'm just saying; mini-nukes give me the willies, and misinformation from a "good researcher" does the same.

    perhaps that's why I'm a "paranoid conspiracy theorist"

    Posted 15 years ago #
  6. nornnxx65
    Member

    PS, Arabesque; "And he admitted to me in email correspondence he was mistaken about the hijacker names"

    Would be good to update your article with this info, imho

    also, would be good for Gaffney to publicly address this, wouldn't it? If it was too late for the first edition of his book, then it should definitely be corrected for the next, if there is one. Newspapers issue corrections/retractions, etc.- what about an "errata" page on his website?

    I'm not vouching for "official" documents, especially ones as sketchy as those alleged flight manifests from the Moussaoui trial; i just think it's important to be as accurate as possible.

    Posted 15 years ago #
  7. chrisc
    Member

    There is totally overwhelming evidence that there wasn't a nuclear blast produced EMP.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse

    Posted 15 years ago #
  8. nornnxx65
    Member

    I got Mark Gaffney's email from this article:

    "Eavesdropping on the World" - Mark Gaffney takes a look at Bamford's 'Shadow Factory' http://www.911blogger.com/node/19579

    and, with his permission, am posting this part of the exchange I had with him today (the rest was just about getting permission):

    Hi Mr. Gaffney,

    I came across your 5-star review at Amazon of The Mini-Nuke Conspiracy: How Mandela Inherited a Nuclear Nightmare; SE Faber http://www.amazon.com/review/RH8VSXTKJBKPE/ref=cm_...

    In this review you seem to give a lot of credence to the theories about nukes being used to destroy the World Trade Center; I was wondering what you currently believe, why, and what you recommend for sources.

    Thanks!

    Erik


    Erik,

    I was familiar with Peter Hounam from the research I did for my first book, about the Israeli nuke program. It was Hounam who wrote the expose about the Israeli whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu that appeared in the London Sunday Times back in October 1986. This was the story that blew the lid on Israel's nuke program.

    So -- my point is -- Hounam does excellent work and I was also very impressed with his book about the mini nukes. He spent a lot of time in S Africa and came away convinced that Red Mercury is real -- and that a breakthrough had been made -- and the Holy Grail of nuclear weapons research had been achieved, namely, a pure fusion weapon. This was in the 1990s.

    BTW, Nuclear weapons designers like Frank Barnaby and Sam Cohen also agree about the red mercury.

    But I was not able to make any headway on the theory that mini nukes were used on 9/11. So I set the issue of nukes aside and moved on with my research.

    Thanks for the email. Best, Mark www.the911mysteryplane.com

    Posted 15 years ago #

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